Of course you win the game, but you win it way slower than you should. These ideas (if implemented) would dramatically speed up a player's loss to literally one gigantic wave wiping out their citadel.

Since I can't edit:

Just a minute or two if you have giants and they don't.

Edit: Edit function is broken...Lol

Speaking of giants, they're ridiculously late game, and i'm referring WAY before that. Even before a team has catapultasaurus's available to them, when we're picking off towers and making a push for the citadel, just to be staved off each time. It takes at least ten-twenty more minutes for us to camp their base to make enough for all of said upgrades to finish it faster.

It's not meant to be unplayable. It's meant so that players don't camp in their base and spawn over, and over, and over, and over after dying over, and over and over, and just slowing the game down. I always play the game on mean respawn time because it's a lot more balanced end game when respawn times reach 60-90 seconds, as opposed to a useless 15-30. You can't push when the enemy is always there to stop it. You also have to factor in the fact that you can't *PUSH* until you eliminate a creep wave, which can chew up 30 seconds or more depending on how far in they are.

besides, the numbers aren't in stone anyways. They don't have to be that big, but they have to get bigger. This game shouldn't be compensating for a player's ineptitude. At one point you need to let go of their hand and let them walk on their own. In the end, this only hampers more competitive play. You can't keep factoring in skill differences in balance, because in essence thats IMBALANCE.

Yes, my suggestion was to move that to a mid-end game upgrade at the citadel.

Thats where the opposing demigods come into play and create an obstacle. Then you factor in respawn times and such, and the constant re-appearance after a push isn't fast enough to level a few towers is enough to halt it. Then you factor in the fact that when they're turtled into their base next to the healing crystal, it's rare to get a kill without a godly difference between the two. (Demigod...godly...hehehe). Which is why I suggest that crystals/spawn point be significantly farther from the base in back. (Not extremely far, but at least a length where they need to walk for at least 3-5 seconds before they are in any range to engage.

I think that would make a decent, temporary solution, in my opinion just moving the crystal farther away (for certain maps;) would be an end all solution. Not to say that this game needs to copy dota, but dota puts the well out of range of the throne/tree for a reason, and this is exactly it.

This I agree with, and is 100% logical. However, can you transfer gold in a way I've never heard of? Otherwise, you can only increase costs so much, being that only one player would be buying them. :/

Been playing the game for less then 3 days and you are already saying stuff likes this

Really? How does being a 'good' player allow them to take a tower down in one hit? I haven't seen one attack yet that can hit for 7,000 damage. They can take them down very fast in the end-game, but not fast enough to warrant a one-hit. And this is, very late game at level 20 with a few artifacts, mind you.

Okay, I don't care about leavers. Thats your problem. Not mine. I don't want to play in a ladder and get hampered against a GOOD team that doesn't leave because they can spawn at static rates and force a game at a static pace regardless of skill gap and progression gaps between opposing sides. You obviously don't understand.

You know why that happens to people? It's because they suck. That is, not my problem how good they are. This game already gives a lot of compensation for crap players. No offense, but I want to play this game with good players. I'm not trying to be egotistical or condescending, but it's true. This imbalance won't happen when the sides are uneven, but when they are, they NEED to be uneven. They can't be compensated for. This is easily solved by avoiding good players. When clans are implemented, you'll know what to look for.

This is also solved by being a better player and learning, not crying in a corner because you refuse to learn how to play a game to match up to better players, and instead insist on being a static 'casual' player, stubbornly rejecting any new ideas/forms of gameplay for the sake of not being 'hardcore.'

Because they suck. They went out and died multiple times instead of playing smart. Because they suck, they don't get any help from the game mechanics to hold their hand for them because they can't use common sense.

EXACTLY. Do you NOT understand my point? I don't WANT them to come back. They lost at the beginning because they were an utterly inferior team, and the game should reflect that.

Allow me to explain the logic. Team A, is really good. Team B, is really bad. Team A kills team B five hundred times. Team B spawns every twenty seconds and pushes Team A's rush back, who slowly pushes regardless but gets slowed down in the long run. Team B is 0-20, but still fighting a game they will inevitably lose, and force the game to the thirty-forty minute mark because the game mechanics allow them to, but they inevitably are going to lose, because in the end they are worse players. The game, should REFLECT this, not COMPENSATE for it.

What do you define as a 'higher' level of play, since you're obviously the all-knowing pro here. So explain to me, regardless of skill gap, how a player comes to get fully upgraded in no less than forty minutes, without the other team able to level OFF of the upgrades they purchase and still keep up. You don't know this game sir, at least not nearly as well as you seem to think you do. Kay thanks. I really don't want to be egotistical or make it seem like I know everything there is, but you really, really don't understand.

I don't need to pick apart your response because I guess in the end that's correct. One problem with easily obtained citadel upgrades as well, is the fact that the other team can farm off of it and just level up. Me and my teammates play extremely aggresively and always push/setup bursts whenever we can, and have one person always upgrading. However, they feed on the extra gold/XP from the minions. So I have another fix that could easily be implemented that i'll put in initial post.

How are 15 minute games too long?

They're only long if both teams are evenly matched..

I think it works well now with the flow