So I get that the problem is that the illuminators forward firepower being to low to raise mitigation caused them to win in a 1v1 battle, which also works for their sidebeams during which a target struck by two or three sidebeams does not have thier mitigation raised. So basically its the because the splitting of the damage reduces dps, the illuminators ending up doing substantially more damage then other lrms. Fix? Increase the split towards the front, maybe %80 front beam, %10 on each side. Would that solve the problem?

True, this is particularly apparent in a 1v1, but then again Illuminators that are being driven around and through fleets are spreading their damage on multiple targets and hitting ships in stages where there are a lot of low mitigation strikes.   This is opposed to Assailants and LRM which are much more focused and almost always at high mitigation.

I don't think mitigation really needs to be fixed.  It has been working for a year.  If mitigation were constantly high, very small numbers of ships would be near useless.

I don't know if anyone mentioned this, cause I couldn't bother to read everything;

There is one more OP thing about Illums in Soase, which is instant weapon impact. It is very noticeable when compared to assailants, whose phase missiles are loltardedly slow. It often happens that your large group of assailants fires a full extra salvo of missiles ( = a lot of damage ) onto a ship that is going to get annihilated by the previous salvo, which is just about to hit it ( = a lot of damage wasted ). That doesn't happen to Illums. With Soase's slow calculation of damage and laggish autotargetting, it really reduces Assailants effectiveness by ~20% when not babysitted, while illums suffer very marginally.

In very massive battles (say 80 assailants with support against an equally large fleet) an unattended horde of assailants will kill the enemy fleet half as slow as they would if picking the targets was done manually. This is simply because a player knows that an enemy ship left with 150 hit points needs only a dozen missiles to die, so he would give a new target to the assailants and let the missiles already in flight to finish the job. Illums don't have that problem at all.

I don't think that it is OP for instant hits by the illum's beam weapons.  it's just the nature of the nature of the weapon.

Over the weekend, I tried my own test with 1v1 Illuminator vs Assailant (along with a few other matchups I was curious about).  Unfortunately, I don't have any replays (never tried to make one).  The map was Quickstrike and the fights were done in the sun's gravity well (neither ship uses AM anyway).  I turned off auto-attack until both ships entered the grav well and were out of range of the other ship.  I then turned on auto-attack on both ships at the same time.

Illuminator vs Assailant (no upgrades):  Both kill eachother.  I was surprised that the assailant was able to get that last volley off before it died and it was just enough to kill off the Illuminator.

Illuminator vs Assailant (Full upgrades...shield, hull, armor, weapons, and special abilities):  Assailant wins with 90HPs left.  Had the Assailant gone for the Illuminator's copy, it certaintly would have lost, but since it didn,t switch targets, that eliminated the Illuminator's abilities' usefulness.  Believe me, I was surprised that the Assailant won this round especially since it is a teir 1 ship.

Illuminator vs Skirmisher (Full Upgrades as well): I did this just for fun and to guage how effective Reintegration was during battle.  Skirmisher wins with 300HPs left and immediately Reintegrates to get back full health.  This fight took more than 5 minutes to conclude.  The Illuminator could not gain any ground once the Skirmisher would cast Reintegration.  The Skirmisher would get down to about 300HPs and then Reintegrate, restoring 12HP/s while under fire.  It would get to around 550HPs at the time it stopped reintegrating.  The Illuminator would just be able to wear it down to 300HPs again before the Skirmisher could again cast Reintegration.  Although the Illuminator's shields and health would regenerate naturally during the time the Skirmisher was Reintegrating, the damage done by the Skirmisher between Reintegrations was greater and it eventually wore down the Illuminator. 

-Gilligan

noone is really worried about 1v1s.

Get into a battle against a dozen or more and you will see the illums overpowerness. Illums can just sail around blasting everthing relentlessly (sidebeams, instant hit, fire while moving...)

Honestly ive never seen a human player (other than noobs) not rush and spam illums. It is really boring i think to play as advent and to play against advent is dull too, and frustating as you know exactly whats coming and yet its difficult to beat unless you outproduce him/her.

Fighters and scouts are too easily countered themselves to effectivly counter illums and illums tear through scouts anyhow. Illums also take out carriers rather quick and the new carriers nerf (speed -50) means those carriers cant just run around anymore without getting blasted.

Something needs done in my opinion...and heres some general ideas:

Sidebeams requiring AM

take away illum ability to fire while moving

Make other LRFs able to fire while moving

DE-NERF CARRIERS

nerf illum shields/armor/hull/dps/rate-of-fire

you should play against raging amish then. he rushes scouts because they counter illums. scouts counter illums, but vasari get the short straw because their scouts dont work for combat well.

Stats you'd like to see changed:

https://forums.sinsofasolarempire.com/356646

Same here buddy same here.

Lol carrier spams were hardly a problem. 30 or so ligth frigates would dispose of them quite rapidly. You'd take loses but no were near as much as he would. Replacing your LFs wasnt a problem. Also someone int hat situation couldn'T fight at 2 locations at once they woudl also nerf their econ getting so many carriers. Basicly spamming carriers is what noob who didnt know how to the game did. I remember in oe game masakering and keeping at bay 50 carriers with only 30 LFs. The dude rage quitted. If you found carrier spams anoying it'S because you your self do not yet fully understand the game mecanics. Your gettign there but your not quite there.

PS: You posted replies I would call crap in 4 treads concider thsi one the only reply you get for all 4. I could go on pointing more flaws in your logic but I'll let it go.

So true kinda funny IC is always doing whats best for advent and not whats best for the game.