Just about anything can destroy Scouts othet than LRMs (Which still can in good numbers). Really, a simple counter is just building some LFs and drive off any Scouts until Carriers can be built.

The only thing scouts can kill are LRMS.. Stop making only lums. Crap advent have to start making units other then lums.

Indeed all I see from advent are lums and lums and lums and 10 flak. Goes to point lums are OPed it'S all advent needs it seems.

im not saying ilum spam is good but wht im trying to get across is that everyone seems to just scout spam now. now as advent i dont spam ilums but i find it annoying this counter.. especially since scouts are ment to SCOUT and not compose the bulk of a fleet..

because its now used as spam? ive lost a cap to mass scouts ok? that is just plain wrong.

tbh all advent ships should follow this role.. HEAVY SHIELDING lower hull pts and armor.

the solution to advent is this.. nerf the ilums hull pts down by... 150? 200? and lower its armor .5. ilums essentially become the advents HC which is simply out of place. they have 3 beams. 2 times the shielding a vas lrm 3 times the shielding of a tec lrm MORE shielding than a TEC HC and VAS HC which to me just sounds out of place..

My Solution... bring its hull points down 120 to balance it along with every other ship it has.. and bring its armor down half a point. what do you all think?

Did any of you read this?

see i wouldnt mind that but at the start its so annoying to see an enemy who just oh whoops.. 30 scout frigates.. like wtf? hes not even trying to use a feint to throw me off trying to build the counter. hes just RUSHING AT ME with 30+ frigates.. shit man i played proletari and he got up to 67 scouts. unfortunately for him he still lost but i mean really...... im all about balance but just straight up spam is garbage.

well if we cant bring down its hp that much bring it to say... 550? same as its base shielding and increase its shields to 600?

I wouldn't advertise that post of yours, carriers definitely don't lose against LRFs, I can only assume that you meant light frigates. Aside of that: scouts might not be the counter of everyone's choice, but I agree that it's good to at least have a counter against illum spam. Especially since illums+flak are a really tough combo early on, because flak take fighters out of the picture, and getting LFs against them is close to impossible due to illums. And unless you're by any chance copying King of Kings sound gameplay you don't have HC yet

No you dont need alot of Flak. Just 10 flak will shut down carrier quite rapidly. Carriers have not been sufficiently unerfed.

Ok I do get ur point, scouts are annoying and if u think of a reall life situation, you wouldent send an army of scouting tanks to Nkorea and expect them to win a battle.

Scouts shouldent be used to attack lrms, due to the fact that it is unrealiestic to do so, as they are scouts and should jsut be used to scout.

However since the boffins! at stardock decided to nerf the carriers to a point where most fleets do not contain carriers due to flak being so op, it is stupied to use them to counter lrms .

I have tested a number of ways to counter scouts, this is what I eblvie to be the msot effective:

1. Flak - Strong, meat sheild and can take out scouts easliy

2. Light - dont really like using them due to the fact that they get raped too easily if the guy had lrms to.

3. carriers - good agiesnt socuts - but nerfed to the shit and once the other guy has flak, theres no point.

4. Colony Ship Spam - Effective in colonising. - jokes

Advent OP

As an Advent Player, yes illums and repulse are very OP. and no one ever builds HCs so why not make HC's higher in the research, or take it away all together, belive me I have only seen 1 fleet out of 50 this month which contained destras, seriously.

Repulse - Repulse SHOULD BE BRPOUGHT INDIVIDUALY FOR EACH GUARDIANS - AND NOT BE CONTAINED IN ALL OF THEM. such as resecrhing impulse will be the same, but to add them to a gudians will cost an extra 500 creds.

Illums - should have antimatter to be able to use side beams - jsut a thought. Once antimatters goes - sidebeams power will be decreased.

This thread is funny. Everything can kill scouts but lrms. Let the devs actually focus in something thats op like repulse

Why are they not "meant" to be used to attack? Because they are named scouts? Actually, only the TEC one is even called a scout! Just because you can't think of an inventive way to use them in battle doesn't mean that they don't have their place. If it works, it works! I don't see it being any different that using zerglings. Anything kills zerglings 1v1, and single ones make great scouts, but you mass a shitload of them and they can take out anything on the ground. To make another starcraft reference, one of the protoss ships was called a scout, but it was so late in the tech tree that it's clearly a battle unit, and was great for countering carriers.