Well, the problem here is the physics engine.  Technically, if going in line with repulse, you should be accelerated.  If against it, you should lose all your momentum, and if you were perpendicular to it, you would gain both velocities, thus making you go diagonally...

Cykur gg Game earlier today.

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oh absoluetely love it. advent can kill vasari= NERF THEM!!!!111oneoneone

I agree that the cap ship momentum/turning problem is something that needs to be addressed.  Having a cap killed just because it cant move or even turn away from repulse just plain sucks.  Making them immune to repulse may be a problem because they can easily be singled out easily but there may not be a better solution to that aspect of repulse. 

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True, and Marza's in particular would be especially vulnerable to this tactic as all their weapons face forward, and thus they would be unable to fight back.

Perhaps something that could be done is that while it slows down linear movement, rotational is unafected...  That might help a bit...  Then again, just parking a couple guardians by the phase lane, and its impossible to leave...

Well it's not like you can repulse from all the way across the map.  You have to be in range of a ship to repulse it.

Now here's the thing: If you're moving closer to a Guardian by choice then you need to make a decision on whether you want to get bounced around or if you want to keep your capitals safe by keeping them at a distance.

The moment a Guardian starts repulsing is the moment the Advent player controls the field. As an Advent player, I need to keep close tabs on my Guardians so they don't start getting smacked by LRMs or phase missiles or the like.  They have paper armor and massive shields.  If they lose their shields because I am being careless by just bouncing a player around then I am going to lose my Guardians.

The benefit of the repulse can be counteractive as well... if you aren't doing it right.  But players who have mastered the repulse technique have well deserved it as it is not easy to master, as it takes the entire gravwell into consideration.  It is really fun to do though

Repulse is OP, but it is a neccesary ability for the advent. Their carriers are the heart of an advent fleet, without repulse you could just rush some frigs or hcs to the rear of an advent fleet and destroy the carriers, bye bye advent.

Repulse puts the affected enemy ships out of the range of the advent damage dealers (crusaders, the trinity, illums) If they are going to push you around, then make them come to you. Have you fleet sit out of range and the advent loses its aura of late game invincibility.

Guardians against assailants: Phase missles obliterate guardians with negligible armor and very low health.

Guardians against Javelis: Take longer, but TEC lrms do more damage so just focus fire and the guardians die.

The point of fighting the advent is to distract them. Everybody knows that repulse is OP, so anyone playing advent will use it and abuse it. Attack the guardians and the player's dominas will have to heal them or the fleet's shields go down. With the dominas healing the guardians, they cannot suppress your frigates. AS Vasari, jam the fighters weapons. As TEC Flak burst, boom. Battle won.

At least in my experience.

Amish, you are right. But thats more of a by product of the illum invincibility. When and if illums are balanced, then repulse will be a nuisance, but not a game ender.

The advent rely (almost exclusively) on abilities and how they stack to win fleet to fleet battles. Repulse is designed to separate large fleets from the groups of support, very useful since the advent are almost always outnumbered by the vasari and TEC.

The problem arises when a single cap is targeted and cannot move at all. A level 10 cap can be brought down by 5 guardians and 10 disciples (a little bit of an exaggeration). Repulse is a double-edged sword though, enemy ships are no longer it the range of ruthlessness, and the synergies are innefective. It also spread out the enemy ships, meaning that the whole advent fleet has to turn to focus fire.

The entire advent fleet is a tad overpowered by the late game, and the entire vasari fleet is a little lackluster.

The vasari subverter used to be able to alleviate some of this, but well...

TEC to advent is balanced.

TEC to vasari is balanced.

Advent to vasari, work needed

This post was just to address the way that Repulse can paralyze a capital ship until it can be destroyed by constantly nudging it, not to discuss the general nature of Repulse. Re-read my post.

I have been defeating opponents abusing Repulse for over a year, back when the tactic became popular. Old Repulse used to throw a capital ship clear of the field....the current implementation of Repulse nudges ships and they lose their momentum. Capitals accelerate slowly, so they are effectively paralyzed by all the "nudges". Support ships are not supposed to be able to paralyze Capitals in this way -- only other Capitals should be able to do this.

Look at the bright side cykur. We get enough people to join around 1 mod and the current balance issues will go away.....of course....until we find new ones. C'mon man. You'd better be the next Brett Favre. I don't think you can stay retired.

You figure out the new balance. Just rein in LRM and flak a little. If you ALSO buff LF too much, support ships will be worthless. The only thing allowing TEC to be competitive is the damn hoho. The idea of trying to get the community behind 1 competitive online mod is a good one. And the Raging Amish marketing machine is a good way to get the word out there.

I know I won't make everyone happy. And I'm not going to do anything radical with the game. I want to implement the overwhelming balances that we're calling for. I'll list them. I think I may end up making two mods. One will be conservative. I'll make small tweaks that just about eveyrone can agree on. I'm also working on a mod with Eadtaes. Two minds are better than one. And I think  I may make a third. One where I do just what I want. Hell, even I play single player every once in a while.

[edit] Almost forgot. Cykur. Best of luck to ya man. Always been a cool dude and I only wish the best for you. I'll be like the New York Jets and rejoice when you decide to come out of retirement.

[2nd Edit] Also, Ead has some ideas that I really want to see in action. They're not exactly the first things I would have thought of, but I like his ideas.