Oh btw these are the things That I belive you got right in yoru mod and that I do support and might/probably will copy into mine.

Seige frigates slots reduced to 10
Carrier speed incresed to 500
Subverter hull points increased by 100 and shield by 50
Subverter price increased to 450/110/100
Increased turn rate of light frigates (By how much?)
Adjusted turning speed of overseer and subjugator. (By how much?)
Doubled cost of am for repulse.

You should stop.

I increased sub and overseer by a ton.They both went up to 30.LF up to 15.These units are very agile now.You can get subs and overseers to do 180's hehe.It might be a bit much but I was gonna see on the feedback.

Sorry for the all the updates I didnt know the newest version of forge was outdated and everything ran smooth on my game.Yes mine is up to date I play online.This is my first mod and ended up being a bit more complicated but thanks for patience.Hopefully all bugs are gone now.If you see any let me know and Ill fix asap.

Thanks for the compliment Teal

Well let me know how it goes.It got an extra 150 life points in total.I know the increase is a pain but I felt it justified that you pay to make it stronger.It costs the same as an overseer and has an extra point of armor.

ok I played vasari vs advent and advent AI squadrons inside a starbase and hangers seemed to stay inb the air pretty good vs flak. I could not exterminate them all till I had lot of flak and few fighters myself.

Indeed the most difficulte part of thsi balance is getting the Carrier and flak balance just right. But I think I got that solve as in my thinkering I inadvertedly and quite conviniently created a "slider" that will adjust (with game play and feedback) the balance jsut right. For 20 squads of fighters if I increase the damage modifier of antiverylight vs verylight by 0.1 I reduce the number of flaks needed by 2. If I reduce the damage modifier by 0.1 I increase the flaks needed by 2. Justa  question of dialing it to actual game play, currently it's set at 20 flak for 20 squadrons but the flak seem a bit underpowered in that senario. But befor e playign with it their is an otehr tweak I want to do first.

IF you have then you have what we currently have. Uselss carrier and lots and lots of LRF spam. It cannot be to hard a counter. When things counter to hard it breaks the game. Currently fighters are also to hard a counter on LRFs. We are looking into that as well, I have my own idea on that I talk about with MindsEye he seems to liek it as a well I will consult with Raging Amish on it as well. As I explaina  bit earlier I managed to create and isolated slider for flak vs fighter that we can use to do that balance. But for the bomber and lrfs balance vs fighters it's going to be a bit more tricky. We will have to chose our poison as we say as the choise will have some effects on other parts of the gameplay. Just how much of a change remains to be seen but it should not be to drastic.

Thanks Uber

Just curious, did you try changing the firing angle on the Overseer and Subjugator abilities to allow them the needed targetting buff without making the whole ship ultra nimble?

Good luck with the mod!

Ahhh, thanks EadTaes!  I saw people talking about changing ability angles in so many posts I assumed it was possible.

A 360 ability probably makes more sense than a support cruiser that spins on a dime.  Especially for the cost of the Overseer and tech level of the Subjugator.  It might require some additional tweaking of stats so the ships didn't get too powerful.  Overseers and Subjugators require so much micro to use well that by the time you have them, you are more inclined to throw swarms of lesser ships around than to try and fiddle with a few awkward support cruisers.

Thanks for the info Teal I'll look into it.

Played a game with V today.We tested out fighters vs flak and lrf.He had 10 carriers with 20 fighter squads and I had 20 flak and 20 ilums.I killed 2 carriers while he killed all ilums.At the same time my flak killed almost all of his fighters.He prolly only had 10% by my last ilum.This battle lasted a min or 2.We tested this in revers as I had 7 hosts with 21 fighters and he had 21 flak and lrm.He killed 1 carrier and halved the life of the other by the time I killed all lrm.Same time I killed all his lrm my fighter force was near 10%.

I felt this is very balanced and invite others to try it out if they are sick of lrf spam.

That seems pretty good