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[v0.54.2]Babylon 5 - Sins of the Younger Races Remastered {Rebellion 1.95+} *UPDATE 16.05.2023*

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Reply #3651 December 6, 2012 9:52:38 PM
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Quoting SpardaSon21,
reply 3651
Xenophobes entering into a diplomatic pact to get Titans doesn't seem like that's something they would ever do.  Titans would also be unable to be built in 1v1 games and people would just rush diplomacy so they can get that out of the way so they can rush to Titan.

 

 

Yeap.

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Reply #3652 December 6, 2012 11:52:33 PM
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Quoting boshimi336,
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Path 1: Titans are scaled to be 'heavy capital ships' as far as the stats are concerned through all 10 levels, and are treated more like a 'capital class flag ship' instead of a monstrous vehicle of doom that can eat entire fleets by itself ...

Path 2: Remove titans all together and consider having regular capitals and 'heavy' capitals that use the titan armor value (making them much less susceptible to strike craft spam etc) but are still considered capital ships by the game. The AI would need to have an 'ai-only' version of a heavy capital (titan) that it could research so that it wouldn't crash the game when trying to research a titan (this could be hidden on the tech tree so it is not available to the human players). This (titan) that the AI can use would look and function just like any of the other 'heavy capitals' and therefore would not break the immersion of the player's experience.

I have not yet dug into the details of what makes a titan a titan but I suspect we will adapt a blend of both. At a minimum the Shadow and Vorlon will have a titan. The other races have tech level 8 ships that are possible candidates and are in game (at least the entity is populated even if there is a placeholder model). To the extent that there is a choice of titan like ship that would have to be worked out and it is possible some races (Minbari, Shadow, Vorlon) will only have the one ship common to either path. In any event the titan like ships of the Younger races will not be fleet killers though will be powerful late game ships.

It may not be possible to perfectly balance the factions, each will play differently and some will be more challenging against different combinations of factions. In B5 the Narn did not fair well against the Centauri. It may not turn out that way in game and skill is always a factor. To early to tell and a lot of content and balance tweaking needs to occur.

What is certain and it should be noticible in 0.43 is there are differences in the factions. Example:

EA use a lot of strike craft

Narn ships are equipped with a mix of long range and short range weapons and tend to be a bit ponderous.

Centauri ships concentrate on shorter range heavy weapons.

Minbari have very long range beam weapons and can be overwhelmed if you can survive long enough to get close.

Shadow and Vorlon...find out when 0.43 launches.

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Reply #3653 December 7, 2012 12:19:45 AM
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TobiWahn,

Ready to have ticket 131 reviewed, though I have no proposed solution on how to implement proposed capital planet start positions. Ship start positions make sense based on relative strength of start ships and if that is all that happens I'll be content that start positions were at least systematically looked at.

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Reply #3654 December 7, 2012 1:04:48 AM
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Quoting Darvroth,
reply 3652
At a minimum the Shadow and Vorlon will have a titan.
^- Love this idea!

 

Quoting Darvroth,
reply 3652
In any event the titan like ships of the Younger races will not be fleet killers though will be powerful late game ships.
^- I would suggest leaving them 'heavy capital ships' and not using the titan mechanic for this. (There is a relatively easy work around for the AI player so this shouldn't be a big concern).

 

Quoting Darvroth,
reply 3652
EA use a lot of strike craft

Narn ships are equipped with a mix of long range and short range weapons and tend to be a bit ponderous.

Centauri ships concentrate on shorter range heavy weapons.

Minbari have very long range beam weapons and can be overwhelmed if you can survive long enough to get close.

Shadow and Vorlon...find out when 0.43 launches.

^ This sounds exciting.

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Reply #3655 December 7, 2012 4:01:14 AM
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TobiWahn,

Ticket 132 is ready for review, adaption and closure.

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Reply #3656 December 7, 2012 9:06:55 AM
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For the first implementation Titans will be:

 

EA: Victory

Minbari: Neroon

Centauri: Adira

Narn: Ka'Bin'Tak

Vorlon: Planetkiller

Shadow: DeathCloud

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Reply #3657 December 7, 2012 12:43:50 PM
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I'm not so sure the Death Cloud as a ship is such a great idea.

If you can come up with some other ship, I'd much rather see the Shadow Titan featuring the level 6 ability to call in a Death Cloud that instantly depopulated a planet, turing it into a dead asteriod, like the Vasari's "Strip Planet".

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Reply #3658 December 7, 2012 3:36:29 PM
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Quoting -Norbert-,
reply 3658
If you can come up with some other ship, I'd much rather see the Shadow Titan featuring the level 6 ability to call in a Death Cloud that instantly depopulated a planet, turing it into a dead asteriod, like the Vasari's "Strip Planet".

Hmm, the idea is not bad. I'll make a ticket for 0.45 to look into that.

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Reply #3659 December 7, 2012 8:35:21 PM
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0.43 is online guys and girls. Mirrors uploading atm.

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Reply #3660 December 7, 2012 11:49:49 PM
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Quoting TobiWahn_Kenobi,
reply 3660
0.43 is online guys and girls. Mirrors uploading atm.

Things are quiet which I take to mean folks are playing and the word is spreading. I expect we will have feedback shortly, and justification for a patch.

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Reply #3661 December 8, 2012 12:21:21 AM
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Quoting TobiWahn_Kenobi,
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reply 3658If you can come up with some other ship, I'd much rather see the Shadow Titan featuring the level 6 ability to call in a Death Cloud that instantly depopulated a planet, turning it into a dead asteroid, like the Vasari's "Strip Planet".
Hmm, the idea is not bad. I'll make a ticket for 0.45 to look into that.

Lacking any other ideas... How about taking the template for the Ancient Battlecrab replicating it, invert the model and gingerly place on top of the first model slightly cantered back. Next, replicate the two joined Ancient Battlecrabs, reverse the model, rotate it in the verticle plane 45 degrees and join it with the first two so they are all back-to-back adding any necessary pieces parts to fill in and add required detail. That should be sufficiently large and terrifying. Next place a semi-transparent obscuring haze of varying density around it, the shape is visible but in a menacing way as not all of it is visible at once.

Our original was oddly armed for a Shadow vessel... For the next itteration in addition to abilities I propose weapon 1: a 2/3 ABC strength beam on each side with facing TargetCountPerBank:LEFT 1 and TargetCountPerBank:RIGHT 1; weapon 2: a Stalker beam forward with TargetCountPerBank:FRONT 2; weapon 3: a pulse gun as per the Shadow Scout with the CanFireAtFighter TRUE, TargetCountPerBank: L/R/R 1, F: 2 and 8 squadrons of Shadow fighters with an additional 2 squadrons per level for a grand total of 24 at level 10. Should strike terror but still be vulnerable to a smart opponent.Thoughts?

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Reply #3662 December 8, 2012 1:45:19 AM
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у меня вот такой вопрос , а почему текстуры многих кораблей либо остаются квадратиками либо вообще старые текстуры стоковых королей грехов, хотя на сколько помню varlock модель уже была построена....

когда ожидать выхода на восстании? 

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Reply #3663 December 8, 2012 5:08:02 AM
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Quoting pasmach,
reply 3663
у меня вот такой вопрос , а почему текстуры многих кораблей либо остаются квадратиками либо вообще старые текстуры стоковых королей грехов, хотя на сколько помню varlock модель уже была построена....

когда ожидать выхода на восстании? 

 

они все очень долго делают, этот мод пришлось год ждать. А черные квадратики , это потому что через жопу сделано. На самом деле там очень много кораблей нет, хотя в списке заявленны 

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Reply #3664 December 8, 2012 5:48:37 AM
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Can you upload reference file for the 0.43

I could change the parameters   As in previous versions 0.42  in txt

I do not speak English well

thanks  guys and great works

barter from slovakia

 

 

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Reply #3665 December 8, 2012 6:34:45 AM
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Quoting TobiWahn_Kenobi,
reply 3637
I submitted 0.43RC1. Issues were mostly resolved, some were postponed till 0.45.
...
Dear testers please check and give notice.

Updated from the git repository last night - looks like Minbari's open jump-point ability is broken again, it's gone back to depending on EA's hyperspace jump-engine tech.

I haven't yet checked the Narns to see if their jump ability works on not.

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Reply #3666 December 8, 2012 8:35:43 AM
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Thanks so much for the new release! Any bugs I find i'll be sure to notify you.

Do you want me to report on this forum?

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Reply #3667 December 8, 2012 8:40:34 AM
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Jumppoint ability was broken for all but Narn. Update 0.431 Hotfix released

http://www.mediafire.com/?bvvbotkoao86uic

 

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Reply #3668 December 8, 2012 8:41:54 AM
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Quoting Barn0,
reply 3667
Thanks so much for the new release! Any bugs I find i'll be sure to notify you.

Do you want me to report on this forum?

Well, yes. Except if you want to become an "official" tester for the mod you can join BitBucket and we can add you to the team there so you can create issues yourself.

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Reply #3669 December 8, 2012 10:15:44 AM
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Quoting TobiWahn_Kenobi,
reply 3668
Jumppoint ability was broken for all but Narn.

Yup, that seems to have fixed it!

Quoting -Norbert-,
reply 3658
... I'd much rather see the Shadow Titan featuring the level 6 ability to call in a Death Cloud that instantly depopulated a planet, turing it into a dead asteriod, like the Vasari's "Strip Planet".

I quite like this idea too, although maybe the Vorlon's planet killer capability should probably be restricted in a similar manner.

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Reply #3670 December 8, 2012 10:34:34 AM
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Quoting TobiWahn_Kenobi,
reply 3669

Quoting Barn0, reply 3667Thanks so much for the new release! Any bugs I find i'll be sure to notify you.

Do you want me to report on this forum?

Well, yes. Except if you want to become an "official" tester for the mod you can join BitBucket and we can add you to the team there so you can create issues yourself.

I would be honoured to be an official tester!

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Reply #3671 December 8, 2012 10:47:39 AM
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Quoting Barn0,
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I would be honoured to be an official tester!

Well then Sign in with bitbucket and send me your username.

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Reply #3672 December 8, 2012 10:48:24 AM
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Quoting NewHorizons,
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I quite like this idea too, although maybe the Vorlon's planet killer capability should probably be restricted in a similar manner.

Hmmm. We'll see.

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Reply #3673 December 8, 2012 12:43:22 PM
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Thankyou for all your hard work gents

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Reply #3674 December 8, 2012 2:01:46 PM
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I've noticed that AI races have issues colonizing.  Their colony ships just sit at their homeworld and do nothing.  Did you set their frigateRoleType and statCountType to Colony?

EDIT: Centauri Corvan Scouts have auto-join fleet enabled by default.  This means whenever they run into a fleet while exploring they automatically join it and stop exploring unless the player disables it on every single scout he makes, which is annoying and tedious.

EDIT 2: Found a bug with the game itself: researches that give negative relationship have an effect even in locked team games.  Also, if you drop below the relationship necessary for one of the vision or trade treaties, the treaty is broken and can't be gotten back even after the relationship goes above the required amount since the locked teams setting locks those buttons and the player can't activate them.

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Reply #3675 December 8, 2012 4:59:52 PM
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Quoting SpardaSon21,
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I've noticed that AI races have issues colonizing. Their colony ships just sit at their homeworld and do nothing. Did you set their frigateRoleType and statCountType to Colony?

Most factions have research prerequisites on colonization to slow it down (there is also some linking of techs to force a progression order), that is likely what you are seeing. We tweaked colonization a lot trying to strike a balance. Recommend playing AI factions on Hard. There are also three main AI agressive settings that influence behavior. If you could set each AI type (turtle, neutral, and aggressive) and see if the issue is common across all AI agression settings. Let us know the results and well adjust accordingly.


Quoting SpardaSon21,
reply 3675
EDIT: Centauri Corvan Scouts have auto-join fleet enabled by default. This means whenever they run into a fleet while exploring they automatically join it and stop exploring unless the player disables it on every single scout he makes, which is annoying and tedious.

Scouts have strategic and tactical roles (not all the abilities are in game yet which masks this design). Some factions have autojoin on and some have off, it is on purpose. Note not all scouts have mine detection, that may be reserved for a fleet escort ship. Also, SotYR scouts are in some cases front line war ships and not cheap and expendable. The Centauri in particular have several techs that provide better service that individual scouts running around randomly. Centauri scouts tend to do tactical scouting which is why they have the autojoin flag set true. In the case of the Centauri it is by design.


Quoting SpardaSon21,
reply 3675
EDIT 2: Found a bug with the game itself: researches that give negative relationship have an effect even in locked team games. Also, if you drop below the relationship necessary for one of the vision or trade treaties, the treaty is broken and can't be gotten back even after the relationship goes above the required amount since the locked teams setting locks those buttons and the player can't activate them.

Please provide details, some factions do not play well together. Envoys can be used to overcome the negative effects that come with some techs. If there are spots where the negative impacts can not be overcome by the use of envoys or if factions that shouldn't have an issue have one let us know. Narn - Centauri and Shadow - Vorlon have large negative diplomatic modifiers and will take a lot of work to make or maintain good relations. Envoys are somewhat weakened diplomatically as compaired to SoaSE but have one other useful ability unlocked by research to compensate. Note most envoys have the potential to have offensive like abilities...

Hope this helps.

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