Devs hate humans? (cause we all know who they secretly are)

IMO, TEC cruisers weren't buffed because of just how good they already were compared to the others.

EDIT; BTW, I'd consider not using such a thread title in the future.  Scares off people.

thread title changed, so your happy.

i know dominas and subjugators were rare... but overseers were not rare... and ceilos were almost as rare as dominas and subjugators... so... if rareness is a... judge of how usefull they are...

but that argument is kinda a bad one.  idk. I just like things to be even... and right now i just think that the turn rate is a bit more even for non-tec than tec atm.

*cookie for first to get reference*

As much as I'd like credit for the big balance poll, that's deceiver's work.

I don't know why Cielos were the sole exception to the buff.  Certainly for guardians and hoshikos (which don't have any real need for a firing arc) it wouldn't have made a difference, but Cielos do indeed stick out.  I do think, however, that Cielos never really had the same problems as Subverters or Subjugators.  Yeah, they're overshadowed by Hoshikos, but they're still quite good, and the patch didn't change that.

Cielo targets are typically in the enemy fleet, whereas an Overseer often has to target something right beside him.  That means a Cielo only needs to turn a few degrees to face the target, whereas an Overseer has to turn on a right angle.

Really?  Ceilos are rare?  Is this SP or MP.  I play SP.  I find Ceilos to be an essential part of my TEC Fleets.  But perhaps you're right about the turn rates. 

As for the thread title, I only pointed that out because some find that word to be very uncomfortable.  Dammit, I'm hanging around too many PC people...

The Domina Subjugator is the same ship. And actually, Overseers weren't uncommon, but it was that they seemed to be rather unused compared to the Stilakus Subverter.

While in the case of Cielos, I've actually seen quite a few late-game. Of course, that's personal experience there. Anyways, the Cielo really didn't need much of a buff compared to the other support cruisers. Designate Target is a fantastic ability, and Cielos are really only being brought out for it. It's a late-game, but extremely useful support cruiser. While in previous versions, Subjugators and to a far lesser extent- Overseers, were not.

And the Hoshiko is amazing enough already.

btw.... hoshiko's destrocto bots are NOT omni-directional. (so... its not cool that they dont get the buff as well)

darvin... oops... fixing first post... thanks.

and... i meant dominas and subverters (they both start with s... man, i fail)

The exclusion of the TEC cruisers may be in part due to the lack of complaints about their usefulness during the previous version, wher as Guardians, Sunjugators, Overseers and Subverters got plenty og attention by the community, the TEC cruisers did not. I don't think the lack of buff on their part degrades their usefulness, but rather increases the usefulness of the other races cruisers to a more equal level. In MP I feel that all three second support cruisers share the same rarity due to the fact that MP games don't often see the higher levels of the tech tree.

your kidding right? all Ive heard for the last month is how OVER powered the Advent were...................nothing about how USEFUL the TEC were. Infact I heard alot of people talking about how they moved on from the TEC because they just werent USEFUL enough in the long run.

I think it was the fact that TEC was as a whole underpowered in the long run. Both the Hoshio and Cielos I find to be an essential part to a powerful TEC fleet. Rarely do I use the others infleet, except maybe guardian

If you're going with a capital ship based Vasari strategy, overseers were pretty much a must to keep them alive.  Otherwise, Vasari didn't really need support cruisers at all.

When I said attention, i did not mean everyone was complaining about these cruisers being underpowered, I just meant everyone was complaining (most went the useles route, where as guardians were screaming the opposite). You state EXACTLY what I said in your post, "nothing about how USEFUL the TEC were". This is why I think they were left out. The community was in agreeance that Guardians were OP, subjugators were useless, subverters were no good and overseers needed a boost. No one said much of ANYTHING about the hoshi or cielo unless referencing relative strengths in comparison. In fact they were used in debates as more of a middle ground to what support cruisers should be in terms of power and useability. Still I think the buffs/nerfs to all the other support cruisers brought everything closer to that middle ground.

Subverters NEED the turn rate to be able to escape from the middle of the enemy fleet once they use Distortion field.

Overseers NEED the turn rate to heal that frigate over there NOW, cause 1 sec later it will be a cloud of vapors.

TEC ships don't need that stuff to be useful. It's doesn't really matter if Designate target starts 1 sec earlier or not. It doesn't matter if demo bots begin 1 sec earlier or not. Repair bots are omni already AFAIK.

Case closed.

well at least since v1.16 vanilla, (my game's broken.  dunno why.) the Hoshis were an extremely large part of TEC fleets, if only for the repair ability (which is omni-directional and very strong).  perhaps that's changed since then, but if it hasn't, then Hoshis really don't need the upgrade.  the only time they really use the destructive abilities (in my experience) is during small, unexpected skirmishes on backwater worlds.

Subverters need maneuverability (they are fast attack ships, after all), Overseers need to be able to change targets quickly, being surrounded by potential ability targets.

I don't know about Advent ships... been too long since I've played them.

all my hoshis are more preoccupied with killing things and usually have to be ordered to repair a ship thats being focus fired on. Learned to turn off the destructive abilities if i want to keep particular ships.

DUDE Demo bots target enemy ships, so does auto attack, you are facing enemy ships, easy to deploy.  As far as I know Cielo buff is omni directional, no change required. Don't be silly the TEC dont need these buffs. Let the patch seep in before you complain about the next thign that might pop up.