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Reply #726 January 27, 2010 10:08:13 PM
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I'm lowering my estimate to 2-3 weeks, seeing as the time between the first hints and the release of the patch notes was much shorter this time.  Also the patch is much smaller to begin with.

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Reply #727 January 28, 2010 12:59:45 PM
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I think the fix will only coem witht eh end of diplomacy when it comes out of beta. Or at best shortly before diplomacy is released.

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Reply #728 January 29, 2010 8:54:03 AM
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I suggest the following further improvements, some minor, but maybe they just need to be posted in some visible place. Some could be fixed much better, but that would be too sophisticated I suppose:

- fix orkulus not approaching enemy ships close enough (seems to think it has them in weapon range when it doesn't)

Buff Volatile Nanites
- increase the radius of Volatile nanites (application & death splash) or
- double the death splash radius and increase damage slightly

Pulse upgrade tree
- double pulse beam upgrade bonuses (only caps use these so even 5x the damage with a linked tier 3-4 research would not mess anything) or
- make pulse beam upgrades increase bombing damage as well.
- greatly increase the range bonus on the Pinpoint Bombardment.

Wave upgrade:
- reduce tier

Colony Pods:
- increase revenue

 

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Reply #729 January 29, 2010 10:49:49 AM
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Anybody think the Orky's Disintegrator Beams should be improved by the Pulse Beam Upgrade?  In my opinion, it makes no sense that it DOESN'T at the moment - in addition, since it's the Vasari's Anti-Structure option, it would really give opponents something to go, "AHH!  FF! FF! FF!"

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Reply #730 January 29, 2010 12:46:12 PM
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Quoting Warlord Mike,
reply 729
Anybody think the Orky's Disintegrator Beams should be improved by the Pulse Beam Upgrade?  In my opinion, it makes no sense that it DOESN'T at the moment - in addition, since it's the Vasari's Anti-Structure option, it would really give opponents something to go, "AHH!  FF! FF! FF!"

Take note that Disintegrator Arrays is the only weapon on any starbase which is has no corresponding upgrade.

An option to make Pulse Beam upgrades affect disintegrators would score a big fat YAY from me.

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Reply #731 January 29, 2010 1:08:29 PM
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Quoting Darvin3,
reply 726
I'm lowering my estimate to 2-3 weeks, seeing as the time between the first hints and the release of the patch notes was much shorter this time.  Also the patch is much smaller to begin with.

What?  You are saying they already released patch notes?  Where?  I haven't seen them.

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Reply #732 January 29, 2010 1:12:57 PM
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Patch Notes

there ya go

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Reply #733 January 30, 2010 4:45:58 PM
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Oh and add colony pods buff. They're useless - the worst possible source of income, viable only on ultra-long games on a backyard starbase. Take starbase slots, cost craploads of cash, give almost nothing and that nothing doesn't scale at all. Tradeports increase income via chains, refineries via increased number of nearby asteroids, even population gives more income from culture; colony pods never increase their measly effectiveness.

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Reply #734 January 30, 2010 6:00:13 PM
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+ 1 to colony pods buff

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Reply #735 January 31, 2010 1:35:21 PM
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YES!! We muzt buff ze colony podzez!

After all, it's the only way a Vasari SB can gain 2 methods of income, even if one is rather crappy.

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Reply #736 January 31, 2010 1:50:22 PM
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And once again I would request a speed buff for Assailant's phase missiles, at least so that an assailant can not fire a phase missile at a target before the previous missile hits and destroys it. This completely screws up assailants in large battles, cause lums kill and reaquire two targets before an assailant group notices that their target is dead and they've just wasted a salvo.

So

+ Assailant Phase missile speed buff plox

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Reply #737 January 31, 2010 2:01:01 PM
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Glad I'm not the only one who thinks the Orky needs more love.

On that note, something that's been bugging me is the Orky's amazing vulnerability to bombers/fighters.  Yes, I realize ALL starbases have this weakness, but since the Orky can freely move about its gravity well, I NEVER get it any fighter bays (I always max fighter bays for the Argonev and Transcencia, just so you know, and no, I don't play MP, but still).

This shortcoming does not have any real fix for the Orky, except for running after the carriers or caps with the fighters, which is not exactly doable for an Orky, or surrounding the SB with Junsurak Sentinels, which is rather wasteful of supply.

I know I'll get attacked from BOTH sides for saying this, but maybe we could add a flak-type attack to the Orky that could attack fighters/bombers.  I dunno what kind of damage type it'd use, but I figured I'd throw this idea out and see what everyone thinks.  (Ducks in anticipation of various flamings)

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Reply #738 January 31, 2010 3:08:02 PM
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Really, Mike, that's not the way to go

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Reply #739 February 1, 2010 5:32:02 AM
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Instead of having flak, maybe the Orky's Debris Vortex ability should suck in and destroy enemy SC to regen health.

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Reply #740 February 1, 2010 5:36:29 AM
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So...what do the TEC and Advent SB's get then???

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Reply #741 February 1, 2010 9:25:50 AM
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Yes to Allow Dunov shield restore to be self targetable

Yes to Allow starbase deployment in Magnetic clouds

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Reply #742 February 1, 2010 9:34:20 AM
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Add "Fix the frakkin arcing movement thingy" and add me under Yes pls..

Source thread: https://forums.sinsofasolarempire.com/374505

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Reply #743 February 1, 2010 10:49:40 AM
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Quoting JuleTron,
reply 739
Instead of having flak, maybe the Orky's Debris Vortex ability should suck in and destroy enemy SC to regen health.

*blinks*

You know what...that's crazy enough to work!  And it makes so much sense, too!

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Reply #744 February 1, 2010 12:10:57 PM
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Quoting JuleTron,
reply 739
Instead of having flak, maybe the Orky's Debris Vortex ability should suck in and destroy enemy SC to regen health.

Quoting Warlord Mike,
reply 743



Quoting JuleTron,
reply 739
Instead of having flak, maybe the Orky's Debris Vortex ability should suck in and destroy enemy SC to regen health.


*blinks*

You know what...that's crazy enough to work!  And it makes so much sense, too!

As much as I think that such a buff would have nothing to do with balance, I agree it would be awesome
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Reply #745 February 1, 2010 12:26:48 PM
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Quoting N3rull,
reply 744

Quoting JuleTron, reply 739Instead of having flak, maybe the Orky's Debris Vortex ability should suck in and destroy enemy SC to regen health.


Quoting Warlord Mike, reply 743


Quoting JuleTron,
reply 739
Instead of having flak, maybe the Orky's Debris Vortex ability should suck in and destroy enemy SC to regen health.


*blinks*

You know what...that's crazy enough to work!  And it makes so much sense, too!

As much as I think that such a buff would have nothing to do with balance, I agree it would be awesome
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N3Rull wins.  Topic over.

But to put more thought to the Debris Vortex idea, when you think about it, Fighters and Bombers may as well be debris at that size, considering the leftover debris from a ship gone "boom" is about the size of a fighter/bomber.  As I said, it makes sense when you think about it.

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Reply #746 February 1, 2010 12:47:09 PM
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So...not only can the Okky chase my carriers and stucture ships....it can eat SC at will? I cry party foul.

 

While we are on this topic....I want the TEC SB Resupply to effect SC also. Oh and buff the HP regen too. I think that be fair.

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Reply #747 February 1, 2010 1:07:37 PM
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well if you put a long enough cooldown time on that ability than I think it would be great

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Reply #748 February 1, 2010 2:36:52 PM
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Oh ok, so.. you want the Orkulus to have zero weaknesses? Its already hard enough to kill one with assault cruisers, as it can eliminate their range advantage (adjudicators are useless, and you need a BUNCH of expensive Ogrovs if you want to take one down.) and you want to make them even harder for strikecraft to kill? Consider this: VASARI DO NOT HAVE AN ASSAULT CRUISER, how the hell is a Vasari player supposed to deal with the Orkulus if it can just suck up all your bombers and heal itself? How about Advent? No im sorry, while that may seem like a good idea, its actually a TERRIBLE idea. Bombers are the MOST reliable way to kill a Starbase, and even then they aren't that reliable. Theres already plenty of ways to stop bombers cold, there does NOT need to be more. Orkulus is the best defense already, and yeah I agree that with a lack of AOE damage effects, it loses power later in the game, but ALL STARBASES have a reasonable weakness, because without it, there is not a reasonable way to destroy one, or two, or ten. How are you going to reasonably take down that Vasari player in the eco spot with Orkies at almost every planet? Starbases are not supposed to be the end all be all of defenses, they're designed to stall and slow down attacking fleets primarily, and secondly deal some damage to the foolish. The way I understand it is that the Orkulus's lack of AOE damage abilities is balanced by the fact that Vasari have to travel the least amount of distance with their fleet to defend a planet, and by the fact that it can move. (not to mention vasari have the best single unit HP restore in the overseer.) Sure I'd love t if the Orky could better handle large late game fleets that decide to rush it (because you would never rush an Argonev or a Transcenscia late game), but cutting down on one of its fundamental weaknesses (a weakness that all starbases share) would make the thing unreasonably difficult to destroy. Period.

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Reply #749 February 1, 2010 3:26:31 PM
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Apparently, ducking was probably the better choice...

As I stated, Deciever, it was just an idea - I know it's crazy-powerful, but I was merely tossing the idea out for a discussion.

Although, it does make me wonder...I seldom put DV on my Orkies (only one around my "Homeworld Star"); does anyone else use this ability?

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Reply #750 February 1, 2010 4:25:44 PM
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Deceiver, do get a break. Everybody knows it's not gonna happen

edit. Mike, I use very often. If you're in a major fleet fight, a single use of DV can restore a couple thousand hit points on the orky. It's the best thing since sliced bread. Well, second best.

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