So then tell me, whats the point of all this?
What's the point of what? I've explained all my points quite clearly. If you had trouble understanding, I guess you can go back and re-read, if you are motivated.
Why continue to put down a community that you're a part of?
What exactly got your panties in a wad? Me warning new players about MP? Me telling them to be careful about it and stay out of the 5v5 pugs?
What's my motivation, you are asking? To help them. To warn them so that they don't waste their time with something that is toxic and not worth their time. I wish someone had warned me. It is my private service that I am doing for new players interested in online MP. If you don't like it, well I can't help you much there. So why don't I let you do your thing, and you let me do mine?
And don't insult me by saying I'm a part of the community. I am not.
If you hate it so much, why not just wash your hands and be done with it?
Oh, but I largely have. I don't need to list to you the ways that I largely have, but trust me, I have. There are a few like DirtySanchez and others whom I've talked to about it, and they know I have washed my hands of a good bit of it.
But why do you care either way? I certainly could give 2 shits as to your involvement in online multiplayer, or the so-called "community." Why do you care about my involvement one way or the other? I have never written anything attacking you, so why do you write things attacking me?
I just can't wrap my head around why you sit here acting like you despise the entire MP experience, yet continue to participate in it.
I don't think you know enough about me and my life and my level of participation to even speculate on it. Furthermore, I don't know why you are wasting yout time and energy trying to wrap your head around it. Is my life or what I do so important to you? I guess I'm flattered, in a way, but trust me, you have better things to do with your time, your energy, and your life.
This will be reply 133, how many of the replies here have been yours?
I'm not going to count them, but my guess is, not that many. Most were posts from people like SunnyHawk or whatever his name is, which I ignored and didn't respond to. But why does it matter to you either way? Is there a quota on the number of replies I am allowed to make, on my own thread no less? I'm not counting the posts you make on the forums, why are you counting mine? What's the motivation behind your posts on putting things to a vote? I guess I could try to make some issue out of that, but to be perfectly honest, I really don't care to.
So if you "don't need to do much to get at those asshole players", then don't.
It isn't your place to give me advice on this, or tell me what to do. Having said that, I think you largely misinterpreted what I said about not needing to do much to get at those asshole players. My point was simply, go ahead and tell that other guy on the other thread, and anyone else who has had difficulties on MP, that everything actually is just peachy keen online, people are friendly, they will be in for a good online gaming experience, and that it's really "whiners" and "complainers" like me - Agent - that are the problem. My point was, I won't need to rebut or attack what you say, because regardless of what they believe, as soon as they DO get online for a multiplayer game, they will be hit full in the face with the reality of it, and reality trumps everything else every time. That was my point.
I've seen a lot of your posts you discuss strategies and counter strategies, and a lot of people on the forums (myself included) have done nothing but try and be helpful, so you can go in and stomp those guys and perhaps get them to say "Gee, I definitely want Agent on my team next time", and yet we're r ewarded with statements like the one above;
Uhhh... I don't know where you are coming from, but I think you have severe misunderstandings of my game and where its at, my motivations for discussing strategies and counter strategies, how my teammates feel about my online play, etc. Furthermore, you are being quite condescending and presuming in what you think you know about me.
I'll put my game up against all but the top players in Sins, and already have many times. One of my smurfs has over 200 games, causing one person on these forums to say to me "That's a hell of a smurf!" While I am normally quite modest in describing my own capabilities, usually saying to anyone who will listen that I "suck" - it isn't true. My teammates in fact *do* "want me on their team next time." I played a game with JJ the other day (he didn't know it was me), and he told me and Aquia in the lobby that we all "worked well together." It was a 5v5 with all "skilled" I went head to head with other "skilled," as I've done many, many times. I came out on the winning end and was an asset to my team. Is that good enough for you? Would you like me to send you some of my replays, like the one the other day where I fed my entire team to victory, or the other one where I took my Akkan up to the "skilled" teammate north of me to ion bolt the missle barrage he was getting hit with, turning the tide of battle for him?
As to my posts on strategies or counter-strategies, you probably misunderstand those just like you misunderstand everything else. The truth is, I don't need your help (sorry). Most of those posts on asking how to counter things, are asking how to counter things with some particular qualification or distinction that I make, such as: how do I counter people doing such-and-such WITHOUT DOING THE SAME THING BACK AT THEM. Or, how do I counter illum spam or scout/disciple spam WHILE PLAYING VASARI. Or how do I do such-and-such WITHOUT SCRIPTING MY PLAY like everyone else does. You see, I can already do what the vast majority of people do, and simply spam back at people what they are spamming at me, or simply refuse to play Vasari and instead play Advent, yadda yadda. My posts on such things aren't poor newbish posts needing help with basic gameplay. They are on "finer points" of play. I'm sorry you misunderstood.
disrespecting one of the developers
LOL, not sure where you get off saying that, and frankly I don't care. But suffice to say, the developers are big boys, I can assure you. They can take care of themselves, and don't need you to come to their rescue.
and warding off new MP players.
LOL. You have your own "online community" to thank for that, my friend. Not me. They ward off new MP players the moment those players set foot on ICO.
Its like throwing a giant pile of crap in the face of anyone whose ever written guides for MP newbies, anyone whose ever given a newbie some advice, and even the DEVS who continue to adjust the game for us so everyone has an equal chance.
I'd say that your comments are severely misplaced. It is the online community which you are defending which throws manure in the faces of MP newbies, and to be quite honest, MP veterans too. Now, if you don't want to recognize that fact, that's perfectly fine by me. If you want to blame me for it, that's perfectly fine by me as well. But like I stated above, reality has a nasty habit of trumping everything else.
I'd like to see this community grow larger
If that really is true, then I am sorry to say that you are doing the wrong thing, defending the wrong people and the wrong behaviors, and therefore undermining your own intentions. Again, all perfectly fine by me.
and if you have a problem with that
As I've said, I don't have a problem with anything you do, because quite frankly, I don't care anything about you. Quite the contrary, I think it's YOU who have the problem with ME, for whatever reason (shrug). You certainly keep writing on my thread and attacking me, even though I never mentioned you once.
you really ought to find something better to do with your time than convincing people to stay off MP
1) you worry about you and what you do, and let me worry about me and what I do, and
2) I don't need to convince anyone of anything, because like I said, as soon as a newbie sets foot on MP they are convinced shortly after. Like I said, MP is its own worst enemy.
but If you want anyone to be around when it finally hits a good balance
If *I* want anyone to be around? I'll say it again, my friend. Rather than looking to me and posing that question, why don't you pose it to the online community whom you are defending? You can imagine all you want (for whatever strange reason) that I'm the person who's chasing people away from online MP. But I've never called someone a newb, I've never been impolite to anyone, I've never booted anyone from a game (unless they themselves were a booter or other undesirable), I've never cursed at anyone in game for having a tiny lag spike, I've never cursed at anyone in game for making a mistake, or being new and not quite knowing what to do, I've never blamed my defeat in a game on someone else. I've never done any of those things, or a thousand other things. Look to your own precious "community" for that.
let the rest of us who WANT more people online continue to try and open that door to them.
You aren't doing a service to them, I promise you. And you aren't increasing the number of MP players, because they will leave shortly after experiencing the toxicity there. If you really want more people MP, then you should do a complete rethink, and change what you are doing.