_|~Scooby Dew Jew, a true sportsman, or not...

Welcome to multiplayer online   At this point the people on my ignore list are literally more than are not being ignored.  I stick with the smaller games these days, where I have a shot in hell of having players who aren't asshoeles and who aren't on my ignore list.

yeah scooby dont quit, or surrender, hes pull plug. I havent played with him much, but he seems like a sound guy, maybe having an off day like a few of us now and again.

But it is frustarting soome noobs dont listen and end up camping, which makes the game 4v5 sometimes. but once the noobs get the right balance between camping and attacking, then its all good.

The lengths well go to to protect ourselfs from random online people.

All games have problems with quiters and poor sports, and this game is just like all the rest.

One word : EGO

If a player with an ego whos looking out for his own reputation gets hindered in a team game by a newb , the best course of action to keep this player in the game (if hes passionately pissed off)  is to ackknowledge to him that the reason he has lost has nothing to do with his skill but that of the noob and the resulting loss will have no damage to his reputation.

normally by this stage the ego skilled player calms down and accepts the acknowlegment and stays in the game , accepting that even if he loses he can be proud to have done as well as he can , given the circumstances of who he is allied to.

Well thats what I wud have done..just to keep that player in the game and not turn the game sour.

accusing him of making up excuses is exactly what I would not do...as it would probably result in pushing a pasionately pissed off player into passionately leaving the game..which is sorta whats happened here.

Thats interesting because I actually subscribe to the theory that we make our own decisions, and the choice to act like an adult (or not to) is 100% our own. 

I just finished a game where I got steam rolled by the fat kid because he was a smurf who inflated his record with empty games to look like a newb, and an econ guy as a teammate who repeated said he had no idea what he was doing in open chat because he hadn't played in months.  You know what I said at the end of it?  GG.

If he is so passionate, he should know defets will only make his stronger. He should carefuly analise the game , see what was done wrong and come to conclusions: if he made a mistake, , he will know haw to avoid it, if he didnt, his ego is safe.

Unfortunately in some cases there is only passion for his ego , cause what is the point of puling?

Good point.  Here is another one too... 

When you are in a game and get a 2v1 and your ally does nothing, the 2 people attacking you aren't oblivious to it.  Most players online have respect for someone who fights in a 2v1 and holds out as long as possible.  If you can fight 2 people to a stand still (with no feed), you have pretty much proved who the best player is among the 3 of you.  And hey, asking for some feed is fine too .

I would love to see Scooby or someone from his clan chime in here because I'm sure they have read this by now. 

yeah ive read it. unfortunatly Scooby is not the best person to have on your team. he makes alot of mistakes and overall he is only an average player. he just barely got in the clan at the beginning. he is only a slightly above average player, and almost definatly the weakest person in DU.

in sins he acts like a jerk alot, mouthing off at newbs and other things like that while he himself didnt do very well.

His record is complete bs 90% of games that he loses he will DC so it looks like he is good, while in reality he isnt very good.

i like playing with him usually becuase i know him well and i try to keep him from doing stupid things but it doesnt work.

Really if you are playing with scoob expect him to try, and dc at the end.

DO NOT LOOK AT HIS RECORD IS IT WRONG!!!!

_|~Uber

People really ought to be looking at the TOTAL wins AND losses on their record as a measure of their respect.  Over on the CnC ladder the players with a much higher total games usually beats a player with less games but a higher percentage.   Unless they're smurfing, and that happens.   That's a different kind of respect:  there's respect you have to give noobs in that they might really be smurfs, but at the same time I don't have much respect for smurfs.

So let me get this straight...

If someone has 100 games, 60 wins and 15 losses and they press quit their record goes to 101-60-15 but...

If someone with the same record of 100-60-15 pulls the plug and disconnects, their record stays the same at 100-60-15?

Is that the advantage of disconnecting?

no you dont get even a game played for DCing here is an example

if i have a record of 20 games and 18 wins, i play a game, then DC, my record stays the same.

if you DC it doesnt count that you even played a game, thats how it is broken.

scoob has more like 100 games while his record only shows about 60 of them because he DCs.

_|~Uber

Ha that is retarded but now I know why about half the people in ICO do it.  And I thought it was lame when people were pressing the quit button instead of the surrender button... (when there is nothing left for the comp to take over)

yep it is retarded. its also how some smurfs have perfect records even when they are not very good.

its an exploit in the game and people use it.

_|~Uber

Some online gaming sites have the notion of ranked games vs. unranked games.   Ranked games count.  Unranked games don't.   They're just for fun, socializing, and you can play around with goofy settings like unfair random maps or 2v4.   If you DC a ranked game, it's always a loss.  It is you who chose it to "count".  If you don't like it, beat up your internet provider to give you a more reliable connection.

This game has definatly managed to take a gaint step backwards in this matter.  Years ago Starcraft had a system where after 2 minutes no one could leave without the game being logged on their record. Before 2 minute you could take off in case someone dropped in making the match, after that it was either a win, loss or disconnect (which were recorded and looked worse then losses).

Another thing people will do to keep the same name but the games low is delete a name then remake it.  One smurf I booted admited to resetting his account everytime he didn't have 100% wins on his record.  Unsuprisingly his record was 0-0-0 both times I saw him . 

This would be horrible in sins.

If theres people out there who would AFK and force you to spend hours mopping up planets in a game without rankings , then imagine what would it be like if there was rankings

Players would AFK if they are losing and the opposition has 3 choices - Spend the next 1-2 hours mopping up planets , quit and lose to the AFK player or disconnect and get a black mark.

This is why ranks and ladders will not work in Sins.

I must be one of those few people who actually Surrender every game I lose.

Someday I'm gonna be the player with the biggest amount of losses.... haaahaaahaaahaaaa

- NWcityguy  Please dont take the actions of a single individual as the mentality of the whole DU clan because thats just unreasonable.

-Shunmaha Most people online do not surrender because it stops the computer from playing in their steed, therefore screwing their team over.

In general.  When I look at someone's record I only look at the first 2 numbers.  Total Games and Wins.  I don't care the excuse, rhyme, or reason to why a person has "mysterious" games that are neither wins or loses because in my book I count them all as loses.  So total games minus the wins equal the loses and an end of question to that. 

Also, if we all opened a forum topic with the replay of someone's end game rant we would say many rants and many replays.  Simply a matter of life that some people take the game more siriously than others and are utterly incapable of taking responsibilty for themselves and because they "know" it wasn't their problem that caused the loss and they feel the need to blame others and making that blame known through ALL CHAT so that they cover all ends of a finger's ability to point blame at them.  I say.  Shrug it off, talk sh!t in the end game lobby debrief OR leave before you can hear all the sh!t talk against ya, or just simply ignore it...  Not worth posting a thread unless you really want to get this kid's attention though I dought he frequents the forums....

you cant even look at the win/ratio anymore, as my record states 131 wins for 219 games, and the reason for that is becuase ICO has been minidumping and disconnecting so much, that many people just quit the game to rehost, plus. if i am training, i usally quit the game.

I only lost about 24 games, but i dont surrender just in case my team wants to carry on, even if we have lost.

Your theory workswell but I remeber the time of hosts quiting so i have about 100wins not counted because host left.