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unless you have someone there to relate that info to you

Just to specify, in case there's been confusion, you're going to be using this tactic if you're 2km or so from a patrol that's already been engaged. They'll be able to tell you where the enemy is and other necessary details so that you can figure out the angle. We're not ninja enough to just spray rounds in the air and kill stuff, though we do have X-Ray Vision.

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1. Too much detail? I actually had to record my dreams for Psychology class a while back, so I got into the habit of writing down dreams if I could remember them. I will admit, however, this dream started as a daydream, during one of Hannah's depressed rants to me about how she wanted to run away...

2. Why thank you good sir. I've had an ambition to be a writer for a while, but anything beyond the above would be fiction from my conscious mind, not my subconscious, so imo; it wouldn't be as good.

3. I went back and added detail later once I had slept some more and re-read my dream description, mostly I gave an introduction, more elaborate description of the characters, and transitions. But again, thx for the compliments, the damn thing took me 1/2 an hour to type.

4. Liz, Mish and Hannah? No, just Hannah tbh, the other characters are strangers. I am the man in black, too. The storyline, based on the location and my appearance in the dream, takes place 4-5 years from now.

5. Meh, it was a dream based off of the thought of me having to go rescue Hannah from the life of a New York street whore, nothing more. I do beleive in the concept of Fruedism, tho.

I just posted the story to have a conversation, not to ask for help. So much for that, apparently.

Xer0 \^/

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For conversation?

Then let us converse.

Do you really believe that she is bound for the path of mediocrity or that it may be phase?

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Since I've managed to get her stable and happy, a phase, but the thought will always occur to her as a last resort, imo.

Xer0 \^/

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Really? Prostitution is something she is considering on her own?

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Yes, it's been quite possibly her ideal career for quite some time, back to when she and Mishayla were dating.

Xer0 \^/

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Quoting Oatesy03,

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For the record, how many times do you reckon the Taliban are going to have vertical cover? They will either be prone or behind a hastily-constructed barricade. When I say "accurate" I mean that the majority of the bullets will be landing on their position. Not around their position, but on. How long can you realistically survive with full-auto rounds landing behind your cover of choice? Not long. Taliban goes

Well, usually they hide inside of buildings, like abandoned houses, or half-wrecked houses, etc. So there's your vertical cover. In that case, a grenade, or an armed missile might do the trick. And considering how things are in countries like Irak, the enemy will most likely take cover in some kind of building, for the most part.

But yeah, in the cases where they have taken cover behind a barricade, or a vehicle, or any other horizontal-cover object, then your GPMG volley might work, except for the fact that they can get out of cover, as soon as they see those bullets raining on them. If you hit them before they have a chance to retreat and re-position themselves, then thats fine.

Now, you are going to say, that even if you dont hit them, you have managed to get them out of position/cover, so that would be a fair point. Still, you cant refuse that you spend a lot of bullets to do this. You arent gonna shoot a volley of bullets and they are all gonna drop at the same area, you know. The first burst is gonna miss the target for sure.

So my point was, that there are only a few specific situations, where this volley "trick" is worth the bullets. Most times, there are other, better ways to take out an enemy or push them back.

Quoting Oatesy03,

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And also remember that a sniper rifle is limited by the fact that you have to have line-of-sight, obviously with the exception of, say, a small piece of cover which you know the enemy is behind. Sniper rifles aren't known for firing over the tops of hills

Yes, that is true. But at long range, where an AK or an MG just cant cut it, a sniper rifle will most likely be a win for you, especially considering that your GPMG volley isnt exactly a sure kill, at this range (3 km)

And if the enemy is cowering behind a barricade of some sort, and you dont have line of sight, then just wait until they come out. They cant stay there forever you know. And if they ARE trying to stay behind a wall or something forever, then your allies can just get near, with you covering their asses of course, and flash them out with a grenade.

So yes, the sniper rifle is still a better choice than the "spray and pray" burst of the GPMG

The GPMG can provide excellent suppression fire at this range, but nothing better than that, in most cases.

Quoting Oatesy03,

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Because the type of movie in question is?

I was just talking about the expression you used, but whatever.

Quoting Oatesy03,

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Just to specify, in case there's been confusion, you're going to be using this tactic if you're 2km or so from a patrol that's already been engaged. They'll be able to tell you where the enemy is and other necessary details so that you can figure out the angle. We're not ninja enough to just spray rounds in the air and kill stuff, though we do have X-Ray Vision.

Even so, you'll have to be even more precise, and calculate more accurately, in order to avoid hitting allied troops. You dont want to hit a fellow soldier, do you?

But even then, (like I already said) there are better ways of taking out an enemy than this tactic. And X-Ray vision wont help you aim more accurately, it will just tell you where the enemy is, thats all.

"We were inhuman beings....butchers on a field of corpses....corrupt and depraved....only a sum of viscera, blood, and bone - Creatures without soul."

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Quoting Xer07,

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1. Too much detail? I actually had to record my dreams for Psychology class a while back, so I got into the habit of writing down dreams if I could remember them. I will admit, however, this dream started as a daydream, during one of Hannah's depressed rants to me about how she wanted to run away...

2. Why thank you good sir. I've had an ambition to be a writer for a while, but anything beyond the above would be fiction from my conscious mind, not my subconscious, so imo; it wouldn't be as good.

3. I went back and added detail later once I had slept some more and re-read my dream description, mostly I gave an introduction, more elaborate description of the characters, and transitions. But again, thx for the compliments, the damn thing took me 1/2 an hour to type.

4. Liz, Mish and Hannah? No, just Hannah tbh, the other characters are strangers. I am the man in black, too. The storyline, based on the location and my appearance in the dream, takes place 4-5 years from now.

5. Meh, it was a dream based off of the thought of me having to go rescue Hannah from the life of a New York street whore, nothing more.

1. Ah, that makes sense now

2. You can try it. You dont have anything to lose (except a part of your spare time), and you can do it at your spare time. I see potential

3. LOL, when I first read #3, I thought you were going to say, "I went back and added detail later once I had slept more, and saw the second part of the story on my next dream." LMAO

4. A little worried about her, arent we? Noble, very noble indeed.

5. Xer0 the Superhero. Nuf said

Quoting Xer07,

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I do beleive in the concept of Fruedism, tho.

I dont.

Quoting Xer07,

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I just posted the story to have a conversation, not to ask for help. So much for that, apparently.

You are to be commended on your efforts to keep the Chatroom alive and kicking, good sir. Because they are paying off!

Quoting Xer07,

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Yes, it's been quite possibly her ideal career for quite some time, back to when she and Mishayla were dating.

Ok, I'm sorry to say this, but thats a new LOW.

I assume that her self-esteem has been butchered to death, is that right? There must be more to this - you or Hannah isnt telling us/you the whole story here.

Although everyone here, (except for you Xer07), can only assume stuff, we havent even met this Hannah.

"We were inhuman beings....butchers on a field of corpses....corrupt and depraved....only a sum of viscera, blood, and bone - Creatures without soul."

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None of them exist, do they Xer0? They're all figments of your imagination after the Russians brainwashed you.

@Morph- the whole point was that they do, nine times out of ten, land the rounds on the point where they've been told to shoot, because people are there to tell them all the details about wind etc. That's why it's known for that ability while other MGs aren't, and why it (which is pretty old if I remember correctly) is still in service with the British Army. Also keep in mind that British Forces are no longer in Iraq, but are in Afghanistan, where there is a lot less vertical cover. And if you're going for a fight in a village, you don't pack GPMGs.

But as you said, it's not the primary method of eliminating an enemy, but it is pretty damn useful. All about versatility. Average at everything, amazing at nothing. If you wanted a pinpoint strike on a Taliban position, the most effective thing is artillery (which you shouldn't be using in a place like Afghanistan, because it's vulnerable, slow, and would have to be shadowing your patrols to be any use) or an airstrike (which is easier to protect, faster, and overall the better of the two options), but they would take more time than a nearby GPMG lending a hand.

But as I said, you will have your fill of sniper rifles soon.

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Artillery/airstrike.....I think you went a little too far with this You cant possibly compare artillery or airstrikes to any kind of firearm.

I mentioned Iraq purely as an example. You went all practical and stuff, mentioning Afghanistan, what works in that country and what not. I thought we were speaking more in general. Also, if the men who are operating the GPMG are pretty damn awesome with it, (you said 9 out of 10, right?), then thats good for you British people. But keep in mind, that I didnt take individual skill with that weapon into account.

I still stand for what I said, though. Sniper rifles > GPMG volley shots.

Have a nice day

"We were inhuman beings....butchers on a field of corpses....corrupt and depraved....only a sum of viscera, blood, and bone - Creatures without soul."

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Me thinks Oatsey wants all the attention for hisself....

Aanyway, Hannah just has really really low self esteem and is desperate to do anything to alleviate it. She remedies this by using drugs high in... damn, I forget, something w/ a "p", releases nuerochemicals that cause happiness blah blah blah.

Hm... I'll post a newer story tonight, I'm in school atm so I have yet to imagine a decent plotline. I'm also trying NOT to tell a story about me or ppl I know, so it'll be interesting.

Xer0 \^/

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Misspellings for the fail

Quoting Xer07,

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Me thinks Oatsey wants all the attention for hisself...

Maybe so, but whats wrong with that? Oh, he is stealing your spotlight. I see

Quoting Xer07,

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Aanyway, Hannah just has really really low self esteem and is desperate to do anything to alleviate it. She remedies this by using drugs high in... damn, I forget, something w/ a "p", releases nuerochemicals that cause happiness blah blah blah.

I dont have to tell you how stupid is that, right? Doing drugs to force a temporary "happiness" state.....FAIL

Quoting Xer07,

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Hm... I'll post a newer story tonight, I'm in school atm so I have yet to imagine a decent plotline. I'm also trying NOT to tell a story about me or ppl I know, so it'll be interesting.

Looking forward to it!

Modern Warfare 2 F T W

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blarg

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eSSdhMooWbg

watch it morph its hilarious.

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Quoting OMG_Zalera,

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eSSdhMooWbg

watch it morph its hilarious.

LOL, that was pretty funny Although a little dumb at times, but I cant say I didnt LMAO with that vid

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I still stand for what I said, though. Sniper rifles > GPMG volley shots.

Well I think the GPMG's the best gun in the world, so STFU! (ragequits)

Just Kidding.

I still hold my ground on that it makes the GPMG even more versatile, so nuh!

BTW Morph, what guns do you guys (ie in Greece) use?

Me thinks Oatsey wants all the attention for hisself....

Damn and blast, foiled again!

Modern Warfare 2 F T W

Black Ops on Hardcore FTW!

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@Xer0 k

@morph did you see the vid I sent for you. I bet you probably seen it already?

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Quoting Oatesy03,

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Well I think the GPMG's the best gun in the world, so STFU! (ragequits

LOL, RAGEQUIT!!! I love it when people ragequit!

....Just kidding....I know you didnt ragequit for real, but I do love it when people ragequit

Quoting Oatesy03,

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I still hold my ground on that it makes the GPMG even more versatile, so nuh!

I guess it gives it a little extra "feature", so yeah you can say that. It does make it more versatile.

Quoting Oatesy03,

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BTW Morph, what guns do you guys (ie in Greece) use?

You have asked me, and I have answered this already before, but I can go at it again:

The Greek military uses the well-known (to us Greeks at least) G3A3, made originally by Heckler and Koch, and originating/being related to the STG45, the german automatic rifle.

It was originally designed and manufactured by the German firm, but later when they started selling to us, and the war was over, Greece started to manufacture these weapons ourselves. So they are made in Greece now, but are German at their core.

The G3 uses standard 7.62x51 NATO rounds and features 3 settings for its rate of fire: Fully automatic, 3-round bursts, and semi-automatic.

It has a maximum effective range of about 400 meters, with the iron sight being adjustable to the range you wish to fire.

We use the G3A3 and G3A4 versions of the weapon, that have different stocks.

I think it went into production around ~1965 or so, although maybe I might be a little off by 1 or 2 years

Thats pretty much all I know about the G3, you can look it up on google for more info. For the record, half the people in the Greek army dont even know the effective range and ammo of the weapon they use, so yeah.....thats us Greeks. We suck.

Moving on, we also use the Heckler & Koch HK11A1:

(You can find better pics on google)

I dont know much about it, and I have never used it, but it uses the same 7.62x51 NATO rounds as the G3, and is classified as an automatic rifle, although its close relative and predecessor, the HK21A1, is a General Purpose Machine Gun.

The difference between the HK11A1 and the HK21A1 is the the first uses a magazine feed, while the second uses a belt-round feed, making it more suitable for suppressing fire, and a more MG-like weapon. I guess the HK11A1 is more versatile, and has a plus in mobility and availability, considering that the magazine clips are exactly the same as the G3, which leads me to believe that this is why Greece adopted it as its GPMG (although it isnt one). Are you out of ammo? Just borrow a mag. clip from your fellow dead soldier, he wont be using it anymore, I can tell you that! (J/K)

The HK11A1 also features a metal handle, for more convenient carrying. It has a bipod on the front, as you can see from the pic above, and has a maximum effective range of....hmm....1.1 km (??) Not exactly sure about that, though. It could be 1 or 1.2 km.

Our Special Forces use the wide-known M16, (the A1 and A2 variants). I dont think you want me to say much about that weapon, you should already be familiar with it, considering how popular it is.

If you want, I can fill you in though.

Thats about it. Some ranked officers and prestigious individuals use a few different weapons, or different variations of 1 of the above, but mostly (and officially), thats about all we use, regarding automatic weapons.

Quoting Oatesy03,

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Black Ops on Hardcore FTW!

Well, Black Ops costs 45 euros, and MW2 was free, so I couldnt say no to that And yes, I play multiplayer.

Its legal I swear! .....I think....

But yeah, Black Ops is basically an improved MW2, so yay for CoD Black Ops!!!

"We were inhuman beings....butchers on a field of corpses....corrupt and depraved....only a sum of viscera, blood, and bone - Creatures without soul."

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Quoting Altaux,

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@morph did you see the vid I sent for you. I bet you probably seen it already?

The vid you sent me......

Wait what?? I didnt receive any PMs from you in the last few days, what are you talking about??

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Heckler and Koch

Good choice.

Some ranked officers and prestigious individuals use a few different weapons, or different variations of 1 of the above

I'm liking the officers get special kit idea. Keeping the tradition of the Officer's Revolver, or the Officer's Rifle, you know, in the 1800s and earlier. MOD would never let us get away with that.

I have to say, my favourite weapons developers/manufacturers have to be Heckler and Koch, Kalashnikov, and the Belgians. Not sure what the company I have in mind there is, but hey.

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Quoting Oatesy03,

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I'm liking the officers get special kit idea. Keeping the tradition of the Officer's Revolver, or the Officer's Rifle, you know, in the 1800s and earlier. MOD would never let us get away with that.

The Germans had that tradition as well. Remember the famous Luger? Some people were trying really hard to kill a German officer, just to get that. It was almost considered an honor.

Quoting Oatesy03,

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Heckler and Koch
Good choice.

I have to say, my favourite weapons developers/manufacturers have to be Heckler and Koch

They are really reliable, arent they?

Quoting Oatesy03,

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Kalashnikov,

Ok, but if you get really mad, dont go all Taliban on us, ok?

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Quoting morpheas768,

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Quoting Altaux,
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@morph did you see the vid I sent for you. I bet you probably seen it already?

The vid you sent me......

Wait what?? I didnt receive any PMs from you in the last few days, what are you talking about??

"We were inhuman beings....butchers on a field of corpses....corrupt and depraved....only a sum of viscera, blood, and bone - Creatures without soul."

Crap then who did I send that too

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The Germans had that tradition as well. Remember the famous Luger? Some people were trying really hard to kill a German officer, just to get that. It was almost considered an honor.

Good point there.

Ok, but if you get really mad, dont go all Taliban on us, ok?

TBH I like all the later ones like the AK74 and its variants.

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Quoting Oatesy03,

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TBH I like all the later ones like the AK74 and its variants.

Me too

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Crap then who did I send that too

You sent it to someone who is very surprised as we speak. Frogboy!!!

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You sent it to someone who is very surprised as we speak. Frogboy!!!

If that were true I would be worried, but I checked and it seems the message never left me

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