When to increase fleet supply?

Just a thing I've been wondering about lately. The first two upgrades are quite logical, but then the third upgrade is really expensive and given that you always have one type of resource which is scarce, quite expensive in terms of what you lose in income when you do the upgrades (e.g. metal can become an important bottleneck). I hope the vets can help us with this difficult economic issue, which seems to be a trade off between economic and military power. BTW very good concept: devs thanks for this great game!

So the question is: when do you increase fleet supply and are there any tactical/strategic considerations?

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Reply #1 Top

Keep scouting the enemy. There's no need to increase fleet supply until you have to.

 

Reply #2 Top

That's a good question. I'd like to see what some people say. I personally grab a few upgrades if I need them before I hit the next fleet level, and I also fill my fleet and try some sort of offensive so I can fight and replace those units with less tax. I wonder if I'll get behind enemy fleet sizes doing that...

My view is as soon as you increase fleet size and then your fleet goes below being full from the last fleet size you are on the path to defeat. You are making less money, and you have less ships than you had earlier. If both econ and military are going down, its over, right?

Reply #3 Top

I recommend only getting them when you need to.  If you haven't butted up against one, don't get it.  You would be reducing income for nothing.

If you have hit the max and intend to keep building, then go ahead.  If not, don't.

Reply #4 Top

I'll usually use up my available supply and then go ahead and research shield health and armor upgrades as high as I can go with the amount of military labs I have. That's if I haven't started fighting my opponent yet. i'm always scouting though and keeping an eye on his fleet size, and if it looks like I need more ship to take him on, I'll go ahead and upgrade it. Also I find if Im weak on metal or crystal, I'll try and purchase the extraction upgrades as high as I can before purchasing the fleet supply upgrade.

Reply #5 Top

When I have maxed out my fleet and my military ranking is not 1 or 2, I usually figure its time to upgrade logistics.

Reply #6 Top

I'll usually use up my available supply and then go ahead and research shield health and armor upgrades as high as I can go with the amount of military labs I have. That's if I haven't started fighting my opponent yet. i'm always scouting though and keeping an eye on his fleet size, and if it looks like I need more ship to take him on, I'll go ahead and upgrade it. Also I find if Im weak on metal or crystal, I'll try and purchase the extraction upgrades as high as I can before purchasing the fleet supply upgrade.
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Scouting is important.However to be really good you need to look at some math when playing the game.Always get tier 1 health and sheild upgrades.They are always worth it.Consider what your getting for what your spending.Javs for instance.If your fleet is mainly javs then they have low hull points.Hull upgrades wont be as good.You get 5% per upgrade.How much will this add to your overall fleet hp?It may be better to buy more ships.For instance.A jav hull is 500.5% of that is 25.So you will need at least 20 just to add 1 jav worth of hull points.Thats not including shield points.I think 1 jav is 1/3 the cost or cheaper than the 2nd hull research.So if you have 20 javs do you up it to add 1 hull worth and no dps or buy 3 more javs and add more dps?To add in the shields you would need 30.Its the same with most all research.

When buying fleet point there is things to consider.How big is your enemies fleet and how close?What are your defensive capabilities and do you want to play defens or offense.There are tipping scales in this game.Someone that goes eco will be vulnerable until his eco is going good AND HE BUILDS A FLEET.Your window of oppurtunity is short and you must strike hard and fast to cripple his war machhine before it rolls you over.

All the resource in the world will not kill a large fleet.If your enemy has 60 lrf and 2-3 caps and you have 2 caps and a handful of lrf you are dead.You will lose that planet and at least 1 more.He is killing all the money you invested.Most likely even if your eco is 80 you have lost everything.Depending on how many planets you have.

Timing takes experience.Eco till the last second and then throw up 2-3 factories and pump them out before enemy comes poundin.Build a fleet equal to his in a fraction of the time it took him with your supirior eco.If you can time it you can invest at a lower tax rate than him then fleet up at last second.You will have equal fleet with much larger eco to overwhelm him.You continue to build out of multiple factories while he can only build 1 at a time.

Consider how much your eco will drop?Will you be able to feed your fleet after it drops?Feeding your fleet should match your eco with respects.Dont have large sums of money lying around.Sink it in eco or research or fleet.If your eco is well off to produce ships from 1 factory continuously and throw down a trade port 1 after other then your close.If your on frontline this is almost a minumum production rate to defend yourself.Atleast to the 3rd tier of supply.

Alot come down to you should buy next level if you can support it.Sometimes on frontline you are being fed and have no choice but to reduce your income to dust just to survive.Many situations compete for your chices.It can be a taxing game that win or lose by your choice.

Reply #7 Top

Thanks for all the expert advise so far, very useful. The basic answer seems that you only upgrade if you are going to use it. This in turn depends on a lot of factors, but it seems not very useful to have a lot of ships (thereby hurting your economy) if you don't use them.

Reply #8 Top

Exactly.  Ships are for combat, not for sitting in museums on display.  They should be off shooting the crap out of enemy ships.  Its a bit of a cold war really.  You want the ability to one-up your enemy, but are capable of defending should he decide to do the same thing and attack first.

Reply #9 Top

when to increase fleet supply?the answer is honesty to urself; how honest do you feel when u get the feeling omg i need to outnumber his fleet or i need a brand new siege fleet to quickly finish him off?thats when u have to increase fleet supply friend