I'm not sure if this is the best place to be putting stat change requests. Now if you wanted to know how to counter Sova spams that would work, but you already answered that question, you are just not happy about it.

go play online and see that most vasaru players just build 2 or 3 skirantras and its dificult to stop if u are not vasari urself and go rock v rock.

point is the skirantra is OP and needs atleast a slight nerf. (mainly the scramble bomber ability needs nerfed)

6 skirantras will evuantualy equal 75 bomber spaudrons (ive done it)

and u cant kill them because their constantly being relaunched at 100% (scamble bombers)

u cant beat that using even twice the resources/fleet cap that the skriantras take up

what i beleave would fix it is an increase to the cooldown for scramble bombers. and the cooldown should increase with each higher level of the ability

SB should be better than it was last patch, and worse than it is now.  Some middle ground.

Some people say revert it back entirely, but this would just make the Halcyon OP again, and the Skirantra the red-headed stepchild who can't keep up.  The Skirantra of last patch did not have the destructive potential of either the Halcyon or the Sova.

Again, a nerf from where it is now, but a buff from what it was last patch.

I hope not. As a modder I loved the new parameter that allows you to spawn multiple squadrons at once. Before we had to make several linked buffs filled with nothing but "SpawnSquadron" over and over and over. Surely just increasing antimatter costs or cooldown time can do the same effect (as what you are proposing is exactly what it was before, and it sucked).

At the rate which fighters can destroy bombers, the Skirantra are not OP.

Not to mention flakk burst, telekinetic push, etc... or the fact that TEC/Advent can deplete anti-matter reserves with abilities really fast (Vasari can too, but it's a bit slower and more sporadic).

Having a bazillion bomber squads is nothing you can't accomplish with every race. Scramble Bombers is IMO fairly in line with Rapid Manufacturing - the Sova can bust out replacement squadrons ASAP.... not to mention it affects the entire gravwell - hangar bays and frigate factories. The Halcyon? Same deal, it can pull more squadrons outta it's butt and buffs them to boot.

If anything, I think that the fact that Skirantras are so central now is a sign of a serious design flaw in the Vasari capabilities. They are massively under par in respects to strike craft. Vasari repair rates are dismal. We have reintegration, yes (on two ships), but it has to be micro'd (the auto cast is a joke), and when we use it - the ship is as good as dead for 30 seconds while it sits there uselessly (they can't move/fire). Other than that? Overseers are overpriced and about two tiers higher than they should be. That leaves us with the Skirantra - Repair Cloud. It's a large AOE, which is nice, but the rate is fairly mediocre (which is acceptable by late game, but if overseers came earlier it would be solid early on, too).

So we're already taking a Skirantra just for RC, sometimes two in a large fleet. Now it's a fact that most Vasari players will never see the number of squadrons a TEC/Advent player pumps out, the Vasari Light Carriers just simply are not cost/supply effective when you take in the rest of the fleet composition into account. This means most Vasari players are left weak in the SC department. Now we were given Scramble Bombers - which greatly helps level the playing field. Now we can take our pitiful number of squadrons and make them Fighters so that our fleets are adequately defended - AND we can have enough bombers that we actually notice an effect.

The result? We make damned sure we take two Skirantra, if not three or four - so that we can keep up with the Strike Craft problem and have a bit of redundancy (hopefully) in the Repair arena when the anti-AM and CC abilities start flying like fur from a catfight. All Scramble Bombers does is make it so that Vasari can enjoy the fruits of Strike Craft too without gimping themselves in the process. Fair fights are a bitch, aren't they?

In the meanwhile, until the collective whine gets the Skirantra unduely nerfed, just employ your usual anti-strike craft measures that you use against the TEC/Advent against the Vasari as well. That's really all it takes.

If you're really looking to see the Skirantra "balanced" instead of nerfed - then call for reduction of tier for Overseers and increasing the cost/supply effectiveness of the Vasari Light Carriers before you have Scramble Bombers nerfed.

Or join me in bitching about the now pathetically meek Marauder. Talk about a waste of a capship... it's useless in Entrenchment/Diplomacy.

-Itharus

It made sense to me when I read it...Scramble Bombers, is meant to bring Skirantra in line with Sova and Halcyon, and to give the Vasari th option of fielding strikecraft that is taken away by their highly expensive Light Carriers.  (Resources and Fleet cost)

-Twilight Storm

fighters killing bombers is completely irrelevent when dealing with a high level skirantra currently

it relaucnhes 3 squads at 100% without much time inbetween. 6 skirantras will eventualy equal 75+ bombers (ive done it/ seen it lots of times). to counter that you would need roughly 30 carrier cruisers lol. and dont forget fighters have about the shortest survival rate of any combat ship due to how fast flak kills them

Greyfox:

1.) I wasn't aware that the beam enhancement from the Halcyon didn't apply to the Advent Bombers, sorry.

2.) I never said anything about the quality of Vasari strike craft, only the quantity of squadrons. Which also is less related to the Light Carrier than it is more related to fleet composition. Vasari fleets don't have "room" for adequate Strike Craft unless you've built a fleet that's specialized for it. "Balanced" fleets are very mandatory for the Vasari in my experience... without all/most the pieces in place, Vasari fleets are very lack-lustre... and that synergy is mostly in their frigates/cruisers, not their capships (although the Skirantra is changing this). What this results in, is (in fleets not specialized to be SC powerhouses) the Vasari fleet having quite a few less squadrons than their opponents, to the point where it can/will bite you in the ass fairly often. Having Scramble bombers lets you focus on Fighter production in your light carriers (so that you can have adequate bomber defense) while still maintaining enough bombers to be worth while (although you'll still have to have some LC w/ bombers for that unless you DID build 4+ Skirantra).

3.) My remarks about the Overseer aren't about capability, they are about availability. I was arguing for a reduction of tier. As for the overpriced comment, I don't really know what I was thinking when I typed that, it probably got confused in my head when I was thinking about it being improperly tiered (it's really harsh having to wait til mid-late game to get a repair ability outside of a capital ship).

4.) Lastly, in any faction, having 6 maxed out super-carrier capships will result in a retarded amount of strikecraft. I really don't see how it's any different from the Halcyon or Sova. The simple fact is the bombers from either group will fly past the other and probably kill a capship or two before enough of them are taken out to slow down the cap-popping. Have you or anyone you know tried putting 6 of either super-carrier in a group at level 10 and fighting the same of Skirantra?

5.) If you think that Fighters are taken out too quickly by flakk, argue for that change before trying to nerf the Skirantra (IMO). If your fighters survive longer they may well counter the bombers better/faster and resolve the issue w/o nerfing the Skirantra.

If anything were changed about the Skirantra right now, all that it could take (IMO) w/o being heavily nerfed (to an insulting level) is another 5-15 seconds of cooldown on Scramble Bombers, that's it.

-Itharus

Why is it useful to balance Scramble Bombers against Anima Tempest and Rapid Manufacturing, when they are ultimate abilities?  Even if you did compare Scramble Bombers against Anima Tempest its 50 AM 35 cooldown 3 squads 120s lifetime versus 150AM 180 cooldown 7-8 squads 75s lifetime.. this makes the top level of Scramble in the current version slightly less than twice as good as the Halcyon's ultimate?  To alter this would be insulting?

The Vasari strikecraft repair ability can hardly be less effective than that of the other factions....  The poorer Vasari players seem not to use it though.  It makes Vasari strikecraft a little more effective against flak.  They have the best dps and the bombers have phase missiles, an upgrade which also enhances their tier one long range frigate..  If you take the upgraded dps into account then Scramble Bombers might be twice as good as Anima Tempest in this version..  To complain about Flak Burst must be a joke, as the Skirantra is an overwhelming counter to it..

What I object to most is the entire theory that Vasari have to be superior in strikecraft and have the best carrier capital.  How would you apply this to starbases then..?  Vasari pay nothing or almost nothing for their starbase constructor, while the other factions have vulnerable constructors that are extremely expensive.  Plus Vasari starbases build quickest and can deploy anywhere in a gravwell, while the vulnerable and expensive starbase constructors have to move into position.  Vasari starbases are lower tier.  They can carry strikecraft too...

So have Vasari already got the best starbases then, or would you feel insulted if they weren't buffed?  The colony pods might use improving, and that would even be a sensible adjustment.  The buff to Scramble Bombers wasn't, it was a buff for poor play.  Revert it all. 

6 lvl6 skirantras = 75+ bombers

6 lvl6 sovas AND 6 lvl6 halycons wont match that lol

Agent, seeing as how you lost 2 skirantras to a single sova by playing stupidly(IE letting them beat on you with missle platforms when you could have moved out of the way) you have lost all credibility to me in your "tests".  Skirantra was a good cap even before the buffs and I frequently saw them used with success even then. 

[_]-Greyfox

agent thinks he is some 'great player' lol

and if u dont think that 75 bomber squads will effect a battle then u must be on crack