I am not going to quote the entire thread.  People are welcome to read it for themselves if they so wish.  Everyone there said you misrepresented the game in question.  One of the main things being there being more than the sova there to kill your 2 skirantra(namely 6 cobalts and 2 lrms).  The "testing" method you use is laughable seeing as how it was not really 1 cap against 2 alone and the person playing on the other side wasn't "testing" with you.  You also started denying the game that was posted was really you, showed a screenshot that cropped out the cobalts and such to refute that another game was your game, which was quickly reposted by another player that was in the game with you but not against you directly but with the cobalts in frame and you cussing about 1 sova killing your skirantra.  You said you were going to post your own replay but never did.  People called bullshit even then.  So yes I doubt your 1 marza against a skirantra and a starbase without a replay which you refuse to show because some "assholes" on the net might see what really happened.

[_]-Greyfox

I could really give a flying fuck what you doubt, fuckface.

But to anyone else reading this, I already said I would release the replay to DesConnor (he never asked for it though).  I also said I would play test this with him online (he never accepted).  He probably has better things to do with his time, and I don't blame him.

I have no obligation to release jack shit to anyone, but for the record I have offered to release things to people I trust and respect, and play test things with those people as well, even though I am under no obligation to do either.

Furthermore, a replay isn't needed.  All someone has to do is start a 1v1 on point blank map, play against his self (you can do this by saving and reloading, and taking the other side), and play out the scenario I described.  I see no reason why similar results should not be obtained.

One last thing.  The sniveling, conniving little shit keeps lying about what is in my old thread, keeps getting busted on the lies, yet continues to lie even more about it.  For instance, he states that I misrepresented that there were not enemy cobalts in the grav well.  Is he just so stupid that he can't read what is written on the thread, or is he just that blatant of a liar?  I STATED THAT THERE WERE ENEMY COBALTS IN THE GRAV WELL.  IT'S WRITTEN BY ME IN BLACK AND WHITE.

What a worthless, lowlife, gutter-snipe.

Good advice, thanks.

Well, if he's chosen to ignore you, and you are done, then can we have a cease fire?

Volt Cruelerz, refering back to your original post, which are the caps you feel need a buff?

A lot has been written about Skirantras scramble bombers being OP. But it is much easier to counter than most think. Often I get away just making a single coloniser cap ship and still come out on top 90% of the time against a vasari using double skirantra spam. From my experience online, playing exclusively TEC, I found that the best way to deal with skirantras early game is to just spam LRF and FF the skirantras. No more skirantras on the field means no more scramble bombers.

That is fine in theory to dimish the amount of spam.  There is somewhat of an issue of vasari being cap killers to begin with phase missles on assailants and bombers both more so than tec or advent.  Using this method assuming the vasari built 2 skirantra(which is most common), the skirantra can still get off 1 round at least of scramble.  He can then often pick off at least 1 cap with bombers and assailants before you can return the favor.  Just my opinion though since I have not attempted what you suggest.

[_]-Greyfox

Hm if u make skirantas weaker again what will vasari have? The Vasari LOOKS OP but as soon as u nerf the carrier byebye vasari again... Vasari is described in the lore to have expensive, but advanced and high quality units... Does it? Vasari is a shitload more expensive than TEC for only 1 more DPS in pretty much all of its frigates and cruisers. i thought vasari was supposed to be the "few but elite race" ( my favorite kind of race so i admit a bias...) aand it doesnt seem like to be few but elite, just a little bit more expensive for a teeny bit more DPS.

I dont know why I have just been called a Jerk, please enlighten me with your single player knowledge.

Essentially, the Vasari are most powerful late game, and everyone is fine with that; the problem is early game when they should not be unstoppable.

The trick is preventing the Vasari from being too easily beatable early game.  If they survive to the late game, they will win (unless there is a catastrophic error in strategy), so it should be somewhat of a challenge, but it shouldn't be impossible.

In that way, I suggest buffing battleships as they have abilities that can counter SC (JW, FB, and Det AM as it prevents further usage of SB).  Perhaps a slight direct nerfing would be in order, but not a total revert.  I don't want to hear the argument that Repair Cloud is an awesome fleet healer.  Its not.  It heals the one ship being FF'd and all SC.  That is where its power lies.  The Skirantra is capable of keeping SC alive better than any other ship in the game.  This makes a counter for bombers paramount.

I have suggested elsewhere that the damage against LRF at least and possibly bombers as well would be altered to increase the ease of which Flak kills them.

Another option is to reduce the health of these scrambled bombers.  I believe that they are a separate unit in the gameinfo folder, so if this is the case, some health changes ought to aid in this.

@BlackHawk: I meant no offense by that statement, but in virtually every post I have seen by you, you have been insulting someone.  The post to which I am now responding was no different:

I have not made any attempt to hide the fact that I don't play online, nor that I am not the most knowledgeable player out there.  I am however decent.  I can beat unfairs with little to no difficulty (haven't tried playing against the higher diplo difficulties yet as I haven't had time).  I'm sure that in response, you will say that any MP player can beat an Unfair in his sleep.  Regardless, I have not played against actual humans and therefore this level of experience is not to be expected.  When I develop a theory, I will if my schedule allows, play against myself to test it, and the proceed to ask MP players to validate my results.

It is for posts like this that I feel that you have a feeling of contempt for far too many players of the community.  Your apparent arrogance does not line up with the intelligence I have seen in your posts and it certainly does not line up with respectful comments or any positive comment for that matter about you that I have heard.

I do not wish to start a flame war as we just finished a skirmish, but it is for those reasons that I said that I am pretty much convinced that you are just a jerk.  I would love to be proven wrong, but I have just not seen you show much respect for other members of the community.  Once again, I do not wish to start a flame war, and I feel no amount of animosity towards you, but you do not have my respect due to the extreme negativity I have seen in your posts.  Please understand this.  I am not trying to spark an argument, but I did want to answer your question in hopes that it could lead to a peaceful discussion.  I want peace in this thread, and when you have four forum members (Grey, Agent, yourself, and myself) that have strong egos and do not agree, sparks may fly.  

I really do not mean any disrespect towards you if it was perceived, but I do wish you to know that I do not hold you in very high esteem given your past posts and I believe the community feels in a similar way.  I really don't know what to do at this point, which is probably why I keep repeating myself, but alas, its late and this post needs to come to an end.

I have always been a believer in that multiplayer brings out all of the flaws in the system.  If there is something OP in the slightest, you will see it abused to the maximum extent possible in multiplayer.  I am not saying that single player opinions are invalid by any stretch but the computer is difficult to test with.  It doesn't fluidly change to the flavor of the patch like a human does or exploit any newfound strength or weakness but rather sticks to the same predictably routine.

[_]-Greyfox

With skirantra spam, you can get silly amounts of bombers and are able to heal those bombers.  This makes quick work of any opposing caps even the halcyon with push and fighters.  You simply cannot kill the bombers quickly enough to matter with early game fleet.  Combine that with an enemy that quickly puts out flak if any number of fighters come out and assailants to snipe caps too.  Cap counters are killed very quickly.  Carrier cruisers are nullified with a handful of flak and pretty easily killed with bomber spam as well.  You basically have to keep your caps out of the fight unless you want them dead.  You can't SB for the same reason to defend but they can.  You are left with trying to snipe a cap yourself with lrf or LF if no assailants.  Plus having 2 or more caps makes quick work of anything short of a HW.

[_]-Greyfox

To add to this discussion, please see my recent analysis of Scramble Bombers, old and new, at the Cap Ship Ability sticky.

The following is a side by side comparion of the maximum number of squads available to each of the Carrier Caps at key levels.  Be mindfull that this assumes that the Skirantra has enough antimatter to continuosly cast Scramble Bombers.  Whereas the Halcyon is guaranteed a squad (of choice - not just bombers), providing that the aura Adept Drone Anima is chosen as soon as it is available (at levels 1, 3, and 5).  It also assumes that Anima Tempest will be continuously activated at level 6, giving an effective 3.125 additional squads.  Although the TEC Sova can't obtain additional squads, it can deploy up to 4 progressively more lethal turrets (Missile Batteries) at each of these 3 levels.

...# of SQUADS..................New.............Old
............TEC.....Advent.......Vasari........Vasari
...........Sova...Halcyon....Skirantra.....Skirantra
Level 1....3.........4.............6.43..............6
Level 3....4.........6............10.86.............8
Level 5....5.........8............15.29............11
Level 6....6........12.125.....16.29............12
Level 8....7........13.125.....17.29............13
Level10...8........14.125.....18.29............14

I'm sorry, but I reject your notions that Skirantra are OP. Just deal with the extra bombers by bringing extra counters to them.

As for the spammage? Welcome to the internet. People fuckin' LOVE the bandwagon on the internet. This will continue until people realize a ton of some other unit is fun.

Just be glad you don't have 12 vasari siege caps spamming phase missile swarm in volleys at you. Or doubling up the beam weapon they get - that shit rapes SB/Caps when you have like 2-3 going on a target at a time.