Sins Makes GameSpy List of Top 25 PC Games of the 2000’s

Well deserved.

WOW on nr 1? Trying to stir up some controversy, are we?

Didn't Arcanum come out in the 2000's?  You could fuck a sheep in that game. That alone should have made it on the list.

Pretty damn good. I assume it means games played within the first decade of this century, not the century or millenium. In which case, very deserving I say, especially given how open it is to modding.

1st and 2nd places are a joke though.

That screen shot is awesome.

You are never going to create a top 25 list that will please everyone.  Would I have put WoW in my top 1 spot? No. But I understand why it would be chosen.  And I see why Bioshock is number 2, I would have that in my top 25, I loved that game and I all but never play first person shooter games.  Over all, I think it was a good list.  As for MMO games, the only one I played for more than a few months, was COH.  Loved that game.  I was always meant to be a superhero...

Woot Sins!

As for WoW being #1, is anyone really surprised? Disagreeing maybe, but surprised?

A lot of good games in that list.

Bioshock shouldnt really be there though, it's an xbox port.

Lot of those games were xbox ports.  Thank god for the Xbox, or there would be even less games for the PC.

Congratulations! Sins' place is well deserved! Especially considering the recent boom in 4x RTS games.

It's a decent list, besides than the Relic love in. (Or at least the inclusion of Company of Heroes and Dawn of War 2 over Homeworld 2 and Dawn of War.)

It'll be interesting to see how this list changes over the next ten years as perceptions change.

WoW as #1 should come as no surprise; I may hate it, but there's no questioning it has definitely been the most influential PC game by a wide margin.

Glad Sins made the list.  As a strategy gamer, Sins, WC3, and Civ 4 would definitely make my top 3 games of the decade.

Tropico 3 as number 25?

Really?

How much did that cost them?

World of Warcraft: I hate it, but I know it changed online gaming and has made mucho money. Yeah, it gets it.

Diablo II: For the same reason as WoW, it's still played today and the vast array of possibilities with each class are amazing. And unlike most MMORPGs, the combat design allows for more tactical play that point and click.

I would kinda agree that Dawn of War should be there more than the second, BUT it really came in small bits which did nothing more than starcraft did. As a whole it was much more impressive.

Homeworld 2 I would be inclined to agree with because I'm a fan, but I get why they didn't do it. It didn't push the boundaries beyond what Homeworld did and it had fewer tactical possibilities than the first, and most certainly fewer than Homeworld: Cataclysm. Not to mention that, unlike Sins, it is not designed to be modded, thus projects like Homeworld: Complex have to stand on their own.

I'm glad Sins (rightly) made the list, but I have to say that article is rubbish.  Tropico 3?!?  Plants vs Zombies?!?  DoW II?   Come on!  These games might be worthwhile in various ways, but the best of the decade?!?  What were they drinking when they wrote this....

Hey, don't piss on Plants vs Zombies

That game is soo cool

I guess that's why we have the internet then - so we can don't have to take every source we read at face value.   But I do agree that WoW does sort of have the "peer group pressure" feeling about it.  (ie. so many people are playing it so it must be good. ;-))

Best regards,
Steven.

Well, 'top' can mean so many things. A small paragraph in the article which explains why they went the direction they did and the factors involved might help. But if you think about how many shows have made the reference and the fact that even those that hate it have it come immediately to mind, it at least has a fair pop-culture impact.

But yes, I hate it as a game.

All of these are basically your opinions. In fact, the things you listed to start your commend is the only true way to determine a "top" game. If the game is making $200 million in monthly subscriptions, obviously a great many people are finding it fun enough to play to justify subscribing to it. If that many people are finding it fun enough to play, that makes it a "top" game, regardless of what you feel it offers. And, in fact, this makes it the most objective pick in the list. You can argue the psychology of MMOs to keep people playing, but that's also irrelevant because the whole point is to make it just fun enough that people will let you lead them around the same repetitive activities for an end result. It's not like it's some sinister torture that sucks the life out of people.

Annatar makes a point.

What I was just thinking too is that Supreme Commander came out around 2007. That game was a big step up with RTS games. It's sequel was weak, but the original gave you the same scope design that Sins uses (give or take) and I still play it to this day. I feel that it should have been there. Moreso than DoW, which, as I said earlier, doesn't do much more than Starcraft did for RTS games.

How could they? Poor GPG.

Oh well, I think that at least Sins deserved it.

Eh, it is a flawed list. Tropico 3 is inferior, outside of visuals, to either of its predecessors. It was simultaneously dumbed-down and injected with game-lengthening tedium and busywork. The mere fact that it's on the list makes me rather suspicious.

I always thought of WOW as extremely high quality for its time. And the expansions have done a good job at keeping up with other MMOs.

Well, everyone here understands, i hope, that no list will make everyone happy. I'm sure the reasons for putting the games on the list also vary from one to the next. I'm sure WoW was more for its marketing impact than SoaSE. The list makes little difference to the world, except that it gives exposure to a few more people the variety of games out there. If nothing else, a couple of people might see SoaSE on the list and look into it, adding two more to the online community.

I'm not that surprised to see Plants vs Zombies there either, if just as a nod to the casual game market. These games are huge and popular with a lot of people. The entry for this game outright said that they had to list one game of this type. And it is just a fun game.

Tropico 3 was a stranger pick. I actually do think the original was a classic, and that Tropico 3 was a little better then the original. But still it really was such a small improvement that I don't think it's a classic in it's own right.

And of course WoW's commercial success and influence is due to the fact that lots of people (myself included) think it's a great and well designed game. I doubt that there is a single highly popular game they could pick that wouldn't have someone writing a rant about how awful it actually was.