the federation military is just that the federation military.
the federation military is not bound by the prime directive.
the marines that archer takes on board when he goes to stop the weapon was military not starfleet, they stated so.
by the way i am a trekkie.
the federation military ships are slower but more powerful ie they give up so warp speed to be able to kill you now.
in the three shows, enterprise, star trek and next generation, they stated that their main job was exploration and their ships were not ships of war. they only had weapons to defend themselves.
Provide evidence that the military arm of the Federation is not Starfleet, when designs like the Defiant-class clearly say otherwise, as a NASA-like organization would have no need, or even be allowed, to operate a pure warship.
Further, any "marines" that Archer took on in ST:ENT have no bearing on the actual Federation, since it bloody well didn't exist yet in ST:ENT.
I'll also ask you to provide actual numbers and evidence that Federation vessels are more powerful than Imperial warships.
but they could really fight back when needed
true, and at least in star trek, a starfleet cruiser could take on three klingon cruisers.
Because Starfleet has different design emphasis than the Klingons, perhaps? Does it ever occur to you that Federation Starfleet vessels can take on greater than their numbers due to the fact that the powers they generally have to fight build larger quantities of cheaper and weaker ships?
Ironically, despite the fact that a single Federation ship can take on greater numbers, we see said numbers simply overwhelming the Feds in ST:DS9.
If the devices always elicit argument, then you'll have a hard time making a balanced mod.
At present my impression is: the Empire is a legendary collosus before whom all other powers fail. The Federation may have some defensive stamina but it doomed to lose. The Stargate elements will be hoplessly outclassed by both of the above.
So what will balance the technologies here?
In the case of the mod, game balance>vs debate. While in an actual military conflict the Empire would simply dominate all parties currently in the mod (minus the removed 40K powers, who can can seriously rival SW powers), in the mod each side will have various advantages.
Mod-wise, Stargate would have the fastest superluminal speeds*; the Empire would have the most powerful warships, backed up by legions of relatively potent, inexpensive craft. The Federation would gain their greatest advantages from researched abilities rather than raw firepower, while the Borg have assimilation.
*SG powers actually would have the strategic advantage against even the Empire, as their FTL systems can take you to another galaxy in a matter of days/weeks, IIRC. OTOH, they lack the firepower necessary to press home such an advantage. Also unusual, SG outclassed ST firepower; 1-gigaton nukes constitute a major firepower advantage against maximum 64 megaton photorps.
numbers. during world war 2 the us could have built better tanks, but we choose to use cheaper faster built tanks. to give you an idea, we had to use 5 tanks to take out a german tiger, but we could build 10 to that `1.
whiskey states above that the empire only has one ship yard. where as the federation, i know has at least two. earth and centaury. also another thing to think about is the original destroyer was just an under powered cruiser. same weapons just not as much power.
Where have I stated that the Empire has a single shipyard, for one*? For another thing, why does it matter that the Empire has a single shipyard, when said shipyard constitutes the majority of a single star system, and has in fact deconstructed the planets of said system for building materials?
I'm not lying when I say that the Empire's industrial capacity outclasses the Federation's even if the Empire has only one shipyard. The fact that a single shipping company can be used to covertly assemble the DS2 to 60% completion in 6 months says a lot about the Empire's ability to manufacture replacement warships.
And even if, by act of Q, the Empire couldn't bring their industrial might to bear, you still have to deal with the fact that a single ISD-I or ISD-II outguns the entire Alpha Quadrant, and quite possibly most of the Trek galaxy, by a significant margin.
*Looking back over the thread, I see the post that you misconstrue. What I said is not that KDY is the sole manufacturer of Imperial warships. Because that's daft when Rendili Stardrive manufacturers the Victory-class that is still in use with the Imperial Fleet. What I did say was that KDY was the primary supplier of warships to the Imperial Navy. I never said anything about yard numbers; my statement was in regards to the company which supplies the Imperial Fleet with its vessels.
As an aside, KDY is based in the Kuat system, and has converted the system into a massive series of drydocks and shipyards. Further, the Kuat system isn't the only yard KDY controls; there are multiple other drydocks and yards scattered around the galaxy which supply vessels or drydock them for refit, overhaul, or repair.
Further, there are multiple other vessel providers, such as Sienar, which builds several cruisers and patrol boats for the Imperial Fleet, as well as the TIEs; the aforementioned Rendili as well, plus Kuat subsidiaries. Shipbuilding may be concentrated with a few corporations, but it's certainly distributed around multiple shipyards.
whiskey, the star destroyers cant destroy a planet's surface, remember they had to send in ground troops to take out the rebels shield before they could even hurt their base.
"Can't destroy a planet's surface != send ground troops to take out Rebel shield". You're completely ignoring several key facts:
1) Planetary shields in SW are tough buggers. Even the shield on Hoth was capable of withstanding the bombardment of the fleet Vader brought to bear.
2) Of course the fleet wouldn't have bombarded anyways, because Vader wanted the Rebels, oh, alive, you idiot. Luke was at the base, and Vader intended to apprentice Luke to himself so that he could challenge and defeat Palpatine. Luke dying in an orbital bombardment defeats the purpose of that, wouldn't you say?
3) They couldn't have bombarded anyways. The ion cannon protecting the base disabled at least one ISD in the fleet Vader brought; it's not unreasonable that the ion cannon the Rebels had could have posed a problem to even the Executor if it could completely disable an Imperial-I/-II.
Further, multiple other sources in SW canon say that you're incorrect and an ISD can slag the surface of a planet.