What would you recommend?  For every five percent increase in shield health/regen via research, increase PM resistance by 1.5%?  That would mean that while the Vasari end up with 30% bypass, the advent would end up with what, 12% by default?  Maybe make SP resist it another 5% and culture, .5% per upgrade level.

Something along those lines. I freely admit to not being a Modder so it would need to be balanced. But yeah your on the right track of what I am thinking. A set amount of resistance after all of the Shield upgrades and a bonus when in culture and/or Shield Projection sphere.

And before the PM Fanboys go ape-poop crazy, let's remember, I am advocating resistance not straight blocking like on the Kol Adaptive Shield. This would merely lower the the missile bypass chance meaning the missile will hit shields instead of hull. The Kol actually nullifies a portion of all PM shot at it with its super shield turned on.

I am a PM Fanboy.  I like mah little boomies.

Anyways lol..  I understand where you're coming from, but I fear that at the end of the game, the Advent will be more or less unstoppable as it would end up resisting 19% of all PM's.  If that's the case, then I kind of want NME Warheads to increase bypass by like 2.5% per level so the Vasari can at least end with 15% when facing Advent.

haha, this made me giggle a little.

As for your point, I think you are correct. We would definitely need to play around with the numbers for balance. I think at end game PM should still be skipping shields about 20% of the time.

I think the solution would be to remove the Culture & SP bonus and front load the PM resistance into the beginning levels of shield research. Not as consistent from a lore standpoint but this could be seen as maybe a "hard physics" limit to PM resistance. I would suggest a 10% reduction as the net effect after all upgrades with the majority of this effect being front loaded as its purpose is to avert the early game Kanrak spam that makes playing Advent vs Vasari near suicide in competitive MP. This would leave PM still with a 20 % bypass after all upgrades are maxed making them still a powerful late game weapon but where Advent have a chance to field stronger vessels and upgrade armor making for a more even fight.

Well, I don't want to go changing up the culture tree too much.  I'd say just make every shield upgrade increase it by 1.5% with the Guardian at another 4/5% (discounting the Raised Shield Harmonics which buffs SM) with pacts on top of that.  (There is a pact that does that isn't there?)

I think it would be better to put all the PM block on the guardian. That way the resistance not always applied and it gives the Vasari commanders an incentive to strategically destroy or disable the guardians. Which even for the Advent may be a good thing as it might keep your capitalships from getting focus fired. PM resistance from Techs are just a bit too blunt and would be overpowered IMO.

So just have, say 10% on the Guardian's SP?  That would definitely give Advent considerably more staying power against them and makes sense as I've said earlier because you are having to bypass two shields instead of just one.

I would prefer that as well but I fear this will do nothing to help Advent in early game which is really where they have the most difficulty countering the Kanrak Rush.

If the Capitals were buffed with some natural PM Resistance to start with and/or increases to armor/hull, then that might be enough to float Advent until the PM resistant Shield Projection came into play. Again I favor a direct PM Resistance as this helps balance Vas vs Advent while maintaining balance of TEC vs Advent.

Its also when phase missile are most likely not maxed out. The problem is more the LRF itself and not as much the phase missiles at that point. It would be better to make scouts/fighters a better early LRF counter than to merely give them a shield against phase missiles.

Advent are weak versus Vasari due to PM's.  Heck, it's a slaughter.  Advent die early on two both TEC and Vasari.  Why are we bothering just buffing them against Vasari?

If we buff capitals in such a way to defeat the TEC rush via hard stats (armor, hull, DPS, etc), then the threat of early TEC is slightly mitigated as is the threat of early Vasari.  Then, put PM resistance on Guardians for later in the game.  That's what I'm saying.

Advent are weak to both TEC and Vasari.  Why are we bothering to be nice to the TEC?

Agreed.

Just not exactly with this. Technically yes this could be a solution but I think its a bit crude, as there is no real way to explain why the Advent would have significantly better capitalships at the same price as the other races. Not that most capitalships from all the races (especially battleships) shouldn't get a stat boost, but I don't think it should be only the Advent.

Honestly if the Devs do anything about the Advent early game it will be with the Corvettes in Rebellion, as there are really no good ways to just buff the Advent early game to the other races' level.

Fair enough.

Perhaps Advent capitals could just be improved to have good phase missile blocking inherently to give them more strength to stand up in the early game without need to buff or change anything else about the game. 

Damn we all should have thought about that one! lol.

I think that is the simplest solution yet.

Except there's nothing in the the entities to allow that.  Say hello to engine change.

Sareth, you sound like a little girl. Let's not pretend you get "really hot women" in the way you're insinuating. Oversensitive female. That should be your new tag.

Heh, you wouldn't say that to my face you lil shit.  You don't have to defend yourself in life, and by default become a lil bitch. That is your pathetic life decision, not mine.   

Also, if you go pouting to your momma about the harsh treatment you received in the forums today, you should have read the whole post and determined for yourself whether you would get some crap if you personally attacked me. 

In many ways those ignorant of the rules of communication have learned a lesson on this thread, and i'll happily continue the teaching as it seems there is another student waiting to learn.

Wow...this was a bit of a necro.

I think most people just stopped caring and left. I doubt there were many lessons being taught.