[SotF] Fall of Kobol (The only Battlestar Galactica Mod)

- Need to review the artifacts and the Cylon asteroid base (need moons addon). Could you send this through to me?

I can make a separate download that will work with the baked version.

Quoting Mord_Sith84,

* "Number Six" ability for the envoy shouldn't be on automatic autocast. Otherwise the AI will use this all the time on the human player.

* The "Number Six" ability (Rebel) and "Sharon Boomer Valerii" ability (Loyalist) hasn't been set up right. In the initial ability files that I sent through to you, I also allowed for credits to be stolen periodically. The whole purpose of the ability is to target allied player planets (reflecting the traitorous/infiltrator nature of the Cylons). At the moment it has been set to target enemy planets. Please see my original ability files.

I'm still debating what to do with this one. As you know I'm not a fan of making abilities that are unusable by the AI and maybe less known I'm not a fan of exploitable abilities. Having it target Allied planets and steel almost 1/2 their planet income is rather extreme. Further the AI will have no knowledge you are performing this activity.

The reason I set it to enemy planets and auto-cast is because if/when you double cross an AI they will be able to target your planets as well as you being able to infiltrate enemy planets with no defenses and do the same under the guise of an envoy.

The other problem I have is the exploit. This essentially allows a player to post envoy's on all his allied planets and systematically steel their planetary income.

We can talk some more on this ability but in it's current form it seems way to powerful and with no way to counter it.

Quoting Mord_Sith84,

* "Number Five" icon/ability description shouldn't be used. He wasn't part of the Rebel Faction (was with Cavil). See below:

Lets change to another cylon image then.

Quoting Mord_Sith84,

* "Number Eight" ability descriptions are missing. They are missing when you go to the ability for the actual Envoy as well:

Fixed.

Quoting Mord_Sith84,

- Did I send you a new mesh for the Hades? Can't remember. Doesn't look like its in-game. The Hades icon in the menu looks a bit weird too:

There was no new mesh for the Hades.

Quoting Mord_Sith84,

- Both Rebel and Loyalist factions should be able to access all capital ships. The Rebels don't have access to the Hades, and the Loyalists don't have access to the Guardian. The order for both factions should be:
1. Hades
2. Djerba Baseship
3. Guardian
4. Resurrection ship
5. Baseship
6. Worldstar
7. Nanostar

The original design was only Rebels had the Guardian (i.e. The Guardian hybrid would not side with the Loyalists). We gave the Hades to the Loyalists as the compareable class.

I'm willing to discuss this.

Quoting Mord_Sith84,

- Djerba Baseship shouldn't have "Resurrection Link", also the "Fortress" ability shouldn't have autocast on by default. Also, the Djerba Basestar should not have access to modern Raiders (both normal and bomber). Should only be able to access AB raiders.

Was just thinking extending resurrection to an older hybrid class might be good. We can remove it.

Quoting Mord_Sith84,

* The Enhanced Nanorobots ability doesn't work properly... it seems to become a permanent ability once the cap ship is upgraded, rather than being an autocast type ability which lasts for different amounts of time. It just seems to be on all the time.

I'll look at that. We may want it to be a more powerful ability if it will be cast. It's not very powerful for the AM cost right now.

Hybrid Upgrades wasn't much of an ultimate ability. I set it intentially as a non-ultimate with more levels.

Quoting Mord_Sith84,

*Third ability needs to be "Heavy Fallout" as it was before, and ultimate ability needs to be "Hybrid Upgrades" which I sent through before. Do you have it (plus the icon)? If not, I can resend.

I feel FTL Virus is a more appropriate Ultimate Ability and heavy fallout was rather meh compared to it's current ability set in the build you have. I'm willing to discuss but I think this is a good setup.

Quoting Mord_Sith84,

* Nanostar "Enhanced Nanorobots" ability icon has turned to green. Did you mean to do this?

Yes, I'm open to a different color like purple or whatever. All gray scale icons are being colorized slightly so it's obvious when they are available/disabled. That was the first one I did so it's color is a little wonky.

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Hi Z. sorry been awhile but thing's are looking really good. Awesome. thanks for all of the hard work you all have put into the mod.

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Quoting ZombiesRus5,

Quoting Mord_Sith84,

- Need to review the artifacts and the Cylon asteroid base (need moons addon). Could you send this through to me?

I can make a separate download that will work with the baked version.

Cool thanks.

Quoting ZombiesRus5,

Quoting Mord_Sith84,

* "Number Six" ability for the envoy shouldn't be on automatic autocast. Otherwise the AI will use this all the time on the human player.

* The "Number Six" ability (Rebel) and "Sharon Boomer Valerii" ability (Loyalist) hasn't been set up right. In the initial ability files that I sent through to you, I also allowed for credits to be stolen periodically. The whole purpose of the ability is to target allied player planets (reflecting the traitorous/infiltrator nature of the Cylons). At the moment it has been set to target enemy planets. Please see my original ability files.

I'm still debating what to do with this one. As you know I'm not a fan of making abilities that are unusable by the AI and maybe less known I'm not a fan of exploitable abilities. Having it target Allied planets and steel almost 1/2 their planet income is rather extreme. Further the AI will have no knowledge you are performing this activity.

The reason I set it to enemy planets and auto-cast is because if/when you double cross an AI they will be able to target your planets as well as you being able to infiltrate enemy planets with no defenses and do the same under the guise of an envoy.

The other problem I have is the exploit. This essentially allows a player to post envoy's on all his allied planets and systematically steel their planetary income.

We can talk some more on this ability but in it's current form it seems way to powerful and with no way to counter it.

Yeah we do have very different views on this. I think the stock game has quite a few abilities that are not set to automatically autocast.... I just view it as a reflection of the nature of the Cylon, and adds to the player experience. I don't think it would matter if the AI could use it or not.

Why don't we remove the steal production credits component, and reduce the Ship Build Time and Structure Build Time to -10%. Would that work? The player can activate it only if they are trying to slightly weaken a player if they soon intent to turn on them. Could change the description to:

StringInfo
ID "IDS_RESEARCHSUBJECT_CYLON_THEPLAN_NUMBERSIXMODEL_DESCRIPTION"
Value "In times of peace, prepare for war. Number Six models infiltrate allied planets and sabotage construction facilities."

Quoting ZombiesRus5,

Quoting Mord_Sith84,

* "Number Five" icon/ability description shouldn't be used. He wasn't part of the Rebel Faction (was with Cavil). See below:

Lets change to another cylon image then.

Ok. I've created a new icon and description for this ability (have emailed you the new icon):

StringInfo
ID "IDS_RESEARCHSUBJECT_CYLON_THEPLAN_NATALIEFAUST_NAME"
Value "Natalie Faust"
StringInfo
ID "IDS_RESEARCHSUBJECT_CYLON_THEPLAN_NATALIEFAUST_DESCRIPTION"
Value "Highly skilled in negotiation, Natalie brokers a metal trade deal to improve relations."

Quoting ZombiesRus5,

Quoting Mord_Sith84,

- Did I send you a new mesh for the Hades? Can't remember. Doesn't look like its in-game. The Hades icon in the menu looks a bit weird too:

There was no new mesh for the Hades.

Ok, there should be. I'll follow up with the artist.

Quoting ZombiesRus5,

Quoting Mord_Sith84,

- Both Rebel and Loyalist factions should be able to access all capital ships. The Rebels don't have access to the Hades, and the Loyalists don't have access to the Guardian. The order for both factions should be:
1. Hades
2. Djerba Baseship
3. Guardian
4. Resurrection ship
5. Baseship
6. Worldstar
7. Nanostar

The original design was only Rebels had the Guardian (i.e. The Guardian hybrid would not side with the Loyalists). We gave the Hades to the Loyalists as the compareable class.

I'm willing to discuss this.

Yes, this was my original idea. I'm happy to go with your approach on this then. It does add more flavour to the individual factions.

Quoting ZombiesRus5,

Quoting Mord_Sith84,

- Djerba Baseship shouldn't have "Resurrection Link", also the "Fortress" ability shouldn't have autocast on by default. Also, the Djerba Basestar should not have access to modern Raiders (both normal and bomber). Should only be able to access AB raiders.

Was just thinking extending resurrection to an older hybrid class might be good. We can remove it.

As far as we know, the only basestar to have had an experimental Hybrid was the Guardian (the first Hybrid as far as I know, and was considered to be a "superweapon"). There is no evidence to suggest that the Djerba Baseship had a Hybrid.

I would prefer resurrection to be removed from the Djerba.

Quoting ZombiesRus5,

Quoting Mord_Sith84,

* The Enhanced Nanorobots ability doesn't work properly... it seems to become a permanent ability once the cap ship is upgraded, rather than being an autocast type ability which lasts for different amounts of time. It just seems to be on all the time.

I'll look at that. We may want it to be a more powerful ability if it will be cast. It's not very powerful for the AM cost right now.

Hybrid Upgrades wasn't much of an ultimate ability. I set it intentially as a non-ultimate with more levels.

I agree that it should be more powerful. As far as I can see, "Hybrid Upgrades" has been removed entirely as an ability for the Nanostar? Could it become the 3rd ability and replace the "Nano core" which currently appears? I have no idea where Nano Core came from.

Quoting ZombiesRus5,

Quoting Mord_Sith84,

*Third ability needs to be "Heavy Fallout" as it was before, and ultimate ability needs to be "Hybrid Upgrades" which I sent through before. Do you have it (plus the icon)? If not, I can resend.

I feel FTL Virus is a more appropriate Ultimate Ability and heavy fallout was rather meh compared to it's current ability set in the build you have. I'm willing to discuss but I think this is a good setup.

Happy with FTL Virus as the ultimate ability then. Just need to change the 3rd ability to "Hybrid Upgrades" as mentioned above. Do you have the icon I sent?

Quoting ZombiesRus5,

Quoting Mord_Sith84,

* Nanostar "Enhanced Nanorobots" ability icon has turned to green. Did you mean to do this?

Yes, I'm open to a different color like purple or whatever. All gray scale icons are being colorized slightly so it's obvious when they are available/disabled. That was the first one I did so it's color is a little wonky.

Ok. Considering that the effect is blue, could you have a blue tinge instead of green? Thanks

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Here are my changes:

Some of the icons seem to have changed to a purple colour? I've listed them below:

Hand of God tree --> Model subsystems --> CP Missiles, Heavy Missile Turrets, Heavy CP Missiles (all seem to have a purple tinge?)
Hand of God tree --> Model Projections --> Regeneration
Hand of God Tree --> Model Projections --> Expanded Raider Slots
Hand of God tree --> Model Subsytems --> Antimatter Nuke
"Resurrection Link" ability icon on all cap ships, frigates etc.
Apotheosis tree --> Industrial Networks --> Activate Hybrid Grid
Apotheosis tree --> Faith --> Resurrection
Apotheosis tree --> Faith --> Hybrid Hacking Programs

to fix them up, have a look at previous versions of the mod. However, looking at your post to Mord_Sith84. it looks as though you may have done this intentionally? Some of them look a bit too purple. Could you tone them down a bit (if this was indeed intentional).

There are two icons on the Worldstar that look a bit weird.. I'm not sure what they are meant to be?
New textures are great... But I actually don't like the texture of the Worldstar. When you zoom in, the middle section texture looks odd. See below:

Descriptions for the Number Eight model ability are missing on both the Chimaea envoy ship and 'String not Found' in the research tree.
For the Loyalist, if the "Sharon Boomer Valerii" ability is the same as "Number Six Model", the description in The Plan research tree should be the same. Should be:

"In times of peace, prepare for war. Boomer is sent down to this allied planet to sabotage construction and drain production credits."

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Quoting Cylon_Luvr,

Here are my changes:

Some of the icons seem to have changed to a purple colour? I've listed them below:

Hand of God tree --> Model subsystems --> CP Missiles, Heavy Missile Turrets, Heavy CP Missiles (all seem to have a purple tinge?)
Hand of God tree --> Model Projections --> Regeneration
Hand of God Tree --> Model Projections --> Expanded Raider Slots
Hand of God tree --> Model Subsytems --> Antimatter Nuke
"Resurrection Link" ability icon on all cap ships, frigates etc.
Apotheosis tree --> Industrial Networks --> Activate Hybrid Grid
Apotheosis tree --> Faith --> Resurrection
Apotheosis tree --> Faith --> Hybrid Hacking Programs

to fix them up, have a look at previous versions of the mod. However, looking at your post to Mord_Sith84. it looks as though you may have done this intentionally? Some of them look a bit too purple. Could you tone them down a bit (if this was indeed intentional).

I've had a look at these icons now that you've mentioned them, and yes they do look a bit too purple... what do you think Z?

Quoting Cylon_Luvr,

There are two icons on the Worldstar that look a bit weird.. I'm not sure what they are meant to be?

Which ones do you mean? Cylon Boarding Party and Infiltration icons do look a bit dark/distorted. Cylon Boarding Party is meant to be a Heavy Raider.. and to be honest, I can't even see what the Infiltration icon is myself! Z, I'll resent you the icons.

Quoting Cylon_Luvr,

New textures are great... But I actually don't like the texture of the Worldstar. When you zoom in, the middle section texture looks odd. See below:

I agree. I'll get the artist to fix this up.

Quoting Cylon_Luvr,

Descriptions for the Number Eight model ability are missing on both the Chimaea envoy ship and 'String not Found' in the research tree.

Z has already fixed this.

Quoting Cylon_Luvr,

For the Loyalist, if the "Sharon Boomer Valerii" ability is the same as "Number Six Model", the description in The Plan research tree should be the same. Should be:

"In times of peace, prepare for war. Boomer is sent down to this allied planet to sabotage construction and drain production credits."

Good pick up. However it will need to be changed to the following as the ability will no longer drain production credits:

StringInfo
ID "IDS_RESEARCHSUBJECT_CYLON_THEPLAN_SHARONBOOMERVALERII_NAME"
Value "Sharon 'Boomer' Valerii"
StringInfo
ID "IDS_RESEARCHSUBJECT_CYLON_THEPLAN_SHARONBOOMERVALERII_DESCRIPTION"
Value "In times of peace, prepare for war. Boomer infiltrates allied planets to sabotage construction facilities."

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Quoting Mord_Sith84,

Why don't we remove the steal production credits component, and reduce the Ship Build Time and Structure Build Time to -10%. Would that work? The player can activate it only if they are trying to slightly weaken a player if they soon intent to turn on them. Could change the description to:

I'm good with this approach.

Quoting Mord_Sith84,

I would prefer resurrection to be removed from the Djerba.

Easy enough.

Quoting Mord_Sith84,

IDS_RESEARCHSUBJECT_CYLON_THEPLAN_NATALIEFAUST_NAME

Sounds good.

Quoting Mord_Sith84,

Yes, this was my original idea. I'm happy to go with your approach on this then. It does add more flavour to the individual factions.

Ok, I think it fits the factions approach.

Quoting Mord_Sith84,

I agree that it should be more powerful. As far as I can see, "Hybrid Upgrades" has been removed entirely as an ability for the Nanostar? Could it become the 3rd ability and replace the "Nano core" which currently appears? I have no idea where Nano Core came from.

It's your ability I just forgot to change the name string and icon you originally had in the files provided to me. It's fixed now.

Quoting Mord_Sith84,

Happy with FTL Virus as the ultimate ability then. Just need to change the 3rd ability to "Hybrid Upgrades" as mentioned above. Do you have the icon I sent?

I'll beef up Hybrid Upgrades and make it castable.

Quoting Mord_Sith84,