Bought the game, but have a question.

Hello dear devs,

 

My question is the following: Will there be as much lag as in diplomacy?

 

My friends and I are playing zoomed out so we can see the fleet, and we all have quad cores, many gigabytes of ram (at least 6) and GTX260 and similar, yet the game dramatically reduces in speed down to X ressource ammount per second (instead of 1.5-2) after 5 minutes of gameplay and it becomes plain annoying. The game is great but THIS kills it for us.

 

I don't mean to sound harsh here, but if you think the issue will remain in rebellion, I'll get my money back. The latest patch was supposed to have this matter fixed, yet we still have the same problewm. We even tested playing only the 2 of us and the same thing happened.

 

Best regards.

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quad cores
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This could be your problem. Sins pretty much uses just one core. You're far better off having just one really good core than 4 decent ones. Maybe two so you can set Sins to have its own core, but you're not getting any other performance out of the other two cores.

The patch in diplomacy helped with RAM related problems, but CPU problems are naturally going to be a problem with a game with as big a scale of Sins. Though only 5 minutes in is a bit unusual. What sized maps are you playing? And what exactly does your PC do (lag, stutter etc.)?

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I have to agree. I played with my friend and after a few hours of play we found terrible lag. We tried to play via Hamachi and Online, the result was the same.

 

 

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Arma II and other games are now supporting quads, so I wont go back to single only to play sins :p

 

We tried huge and medium maps, problem is still present. Our PCs don't lag, the game just slows down to a point crossing the gravity well takes a good 30-40 seconds (I didn't count, but it's REALLY slow).

 

Hamachi didnt help neither.

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Quoting qcrulzz, reply 3
Arma II and other games are now supporting quads, so I wont go back to single only to play sins
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It may or may not be the problem, depends on what your core is. To be sure Rebellion will be the last thing on this engine for that reason.

Quoting qcrulzz, reply 3
We tried huge and medium maps, problem is still present. Our PCs don't lag, the game just slows down to a point crossing the gravity well takes a good 30-40 seconds (I didn't count, but it's REALLY slow).
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What game settings are you on? Multiplayer has an odd tendency to be very fast at the first few minutes, then gets to regular speed after 5 minutes. If you were on normal or slow ship speeds that maybe what you were experiencing.

Quoting Pentekont, reply 2
I played with my friend and after a few hours of play we found terrible lag. We tried to play via Hamachi and Online, the result was the same.
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That's a bit more typical. On large enough maps with big enough fleets some lag in unavoidable. They claim that they will be optimizing the game a lot but its hard to say if it will make that big of a difference.

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So this means Rebellion wont use 2 or more cores? :S

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Quoting Vatticson, reply 5
So this means Rebellion wont use 2 or more cores?
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The devs stated recently that it will not. Making Sins utilize more cores would requires a total re-write of the games code, it just isn't possible in the scope of an expansion.

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The more Mhz your CPU has better it is.

I have OC CPU to 4MHZ and i experience almost no lag with 10 players 4000 fleet points each on multi star map for whole game. Other PC runs at 2.7 Mhz with 4 cores with hyper threading and on same settings game becomes unplayable (read slide show) 1-1.5 h into it.

They did say that rebelion has even more optimizations that diplomacy has so we can hope....

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Note that it is possible to assign running processes to certain individual CPU cores.  So you could assign Sins to its very own core, which is what I do for my dual core CPU.  I set the other programs, as many as I can, to the other core.  You should be able to do this from the task manager by looking at processes and then right clicking on each individual process.

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I have a (2.3 GHz core I7 processor), might have to upgrade :p

 

Playing on lowest graphics settings, my friends do as well, we all pin the planets on the left of the screen.

 

Funny cause I can play on single player with 8 computers on a X large map, X10 speed and no slowing down at all. Multi is the only place it happens.

 

And dirty, I guess you mean assigning a priority, and its simple as that?

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Quoting DirtySanchezz, reply 8
Note that it is possible to assign running processes to certain individual CPU cores.  So you could assign Sins to its very own core, which is what I do for my dual core CPU.  I set the other programs, as many as I can, to the other core.  You should be able to do this from the task manager by looking at processes and then right clicking on each individual process.
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OMG Sanchezz posted something that is not directly advertising multiplayer!!!1 WHAAAaaa?!

Quoting qcrulzz, reply 9
And dirty, I guess you mean assigning a priority, and its simple as that?
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I believe it's not what he meant. When you have multiple cores in your CPU and the application is not made for multiple cores, it will run on a single core only. If you don't tell the CPU which core should work with the application, the CPU will probably attempt to run everything on one core - slowing down the game. You can, however, tell the CPU to explicitly run Sins on another core, one that is not bothered with Windows and other. 
Setting priority on the other hand is just telling the CPU to put this process above others. It's usually a bad thing to do, at least from my experience - I tried giving process priority with a few games and it usually caused erratic behaviour, like unresponsive keyboard and freezes (whereas keeping system processes AND the game all at a raised priority gave little results).

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Roger, will look for a tutorial explaining how to :p

 

Thanks for the tips

 

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Quoting N3rull, reply 10
Sanchezz posted something that is not directly advertising multiplayer!!!1 WHAAAaaa?!
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Damn, I forgot to do that.  I also set Sins to High priority.  Affinity is the core that a program is locked onto.

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Quoting qcrulzz, reply 9
I have a (2.3 GHz core I7 processor), might have to upgrade
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Or just by better cooler and over clock.

I have i7 at stock2.677 Mhz By buying corsair water cooling (similar installation as normal air cooler) i was able to over-clock it to 4Mhz with CPU temperatures reaching 40 on idle 55 on heavy use and 70 while running Prime95 which is program that pushes all cores to 100% load.

 

EDIT: CPU core affinity didn't do anything for my I7 at stock speeds

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QUAD CORE SUPPORT!  Live it, love it, just f'ing do it kthx.

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Well I have installed a custom fan on my processor and no, wont spend thousands on water cooling to play sins without slowing down.

 

Sanchez, will try the high priority thing, I hope its gonna work :)

 

Reply #16 Top

Although this doesn't help much for you guys currently, I can tell you that we've made significant performance gains with the updated Rebellion engine.  We'll find out for sure in beta, but I'm hopeful everyone will be happier. ;)

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Thank you for the official post Yarlen, much appreciated! I now feel that buying the game was no mistake :p

Reply #18 Top

Wonderful, glad to hear it, Yarlen.

Also, Greg30007, the correct units for todays processors is GHz or Gigahertz, MHz is Megahertz, which is about what processors ran at thirty years ago. I just get a funny feeling when people say their processor runs at "4MHz." Sorry, but I had to point that out. 8|

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Quoting qcrulzz, reply 15
Well I have installed a custom fan on my processor and no, wont spend thousands on water cooling to play sins without slowing down.
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Well yes if you make your own loop it can be big bucks depends what you want to cool. As I mentioned i have Corsair Hydro Series H80 Liquid Cooling System which costs 80£. I have custom made loop to cool my GPUs which was 400+£.

I agree WC can get expensive but WC i have on my CPU is in price range of better air coolers. I respect your decision and I only gave you an option and explaining that WC is not so hard to do any more especially with factory made closed systems.

Also OC your CPU will affect everything from OS loading time to programs you running.... Basically you get more out your CPU for same cash if you don't count cooling system in the price.


PS hope priority works for you.

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Quoting SlammerIV, reply 18
Wonderful, glad to hear it, Yarlen.

Also, Greg30007, the correct units for todays processors is GHz or Gigahertz, MHz is Megahertz, which is about what processors ran at thirty years ago. I just get a funny feeling when people say their processor runs at "4MHz." Sorry, but I had to point that out
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My mistake. Ofcourse you are right :D