yep, some people told me the same after i killed their titan, it kept its level, i don't think thats good, kind of defeats the point of killing titan (exept for the cost ... witch isnt so much once you have the techs and the factory)

Also, 15min to get a titan is a real problem for mp, even if the titan wasen't invulnerable, i think its too easy

Then again, you're right about the main problem being the invulnerability

I've only played offline, but I'd agree that they are too easy to build. Given in my case the AI isn't providing much pushback or forcing me to spend much in the short term for planet defense, the relative cost of the tech tree unlocks themselves seems low. It's such a game changer, I would of thought the last unlock for Titan development would be in the last tech level.

*edit* Now that I think about it, the amount of XP needed to unlock these uber-powerful upgrades also seems low. Leveling up a Titan is remarkably quick considering it destroys everything in its path and requires remarkable means to destroy. It practically just absorbs the xp from enemy ships in the same gravity well via osmosis.

After playing a multiplayer game, it seems that mid game it usually comes down to who can build a titan first. I beelined to the Honor amongst Rogues or what its called and colonized almost half the map (another thing that is probably unbalanced), and another guy beat a player next to him and had the largest economy, but the guy who just rushed a titan won the game, and chewed through two of my fleets and in fact made it stronger by giving it XP instead of weakening it.

The economy player got his titan out and had a substancial fleet of LRMs and Heavy Cruisers with it, but it was only level 1, which quickly proved to be the only thing that mattered. The other titan just owned his fleet in a few minutes, giving it even more XP, while the guy who built the titan first basically only had capitalships supporting his titan, which was actually pretty smart because it denied any easy way for the eco player to level up his titan.

In short, they're far to easy to get and at the least it is far too difficult to over come the level disparity once it comes out, no matter how many other advantages you may have.

Great and Ironclad is busy with their game....seems like the whole Sins game is going to have to be rethought rebalanced.

I agree that titans are too fast to get, maybe moving up 2 slots in military tree would have this solved. (move it up 2 extra slots and more expensive research to cause more impact on eco). However i hope devs wont give titans a MAJOR NERF since it's meant to be a tool cutting through SBed choke points. So please, keep them powerful and useful as they are but make the production much slower

I agree wth SithLord. We don't want to discourage them as a viable option.  Make them level much slower or something else to balance them out rather than making them more difficult to acquire.

The problem strikes me as this:

Is there a viable way to counter mid-game Titans short of already having your own Titan fielded? As much fun as they are, I'd rather not have the game be nothing but Titan rushing and Titan vs. Titan.

I'm willing to give it a bit more time and see if there's a cost effective midgame way of bringing them down without a Titan of your own, but if there isn't, we have a problem.

Nerfing them too heavily would kind of defeat the purpose of a flying death machine. Moving them up the tech tree one level or two isn't wholely bad, they wouldn't reach superweapon level and with any luck it would put them in endgame tier, where the odds of fleets being able to combat them properly a bit higher.

I'd also urge the "Titan under construction" notification to be fixed so it's actually working ASAP, we need to know how -knowing- someone is rushing Titan affects the effectiveness of Titan rushes.

Superweapons on a per weapon basis honestly aren't that game-changing...a Titan is...

A player with no trade ports, no tech upgrades, and fewer planets can simply beeline a Titan and completely dominate the game....even with a superior economy, a larger fleet, and higher weapon technology, you just can't take out a titan unless you have one yourself of comparable level...

I don't say this from theorizing, I say this from experience...

Even if Titans required 6 military labs instead of 4, it would still be a very viable strategy to simply rush and build a Titan...it just wouldn't be quite as effective, as the increased upfront investment would make it a more risky strategy and people would have a little bit more time to get their act together...

Anything that requires 5 or 6 military labs is very viable (otherwise we'd never see repulsion, dem bots, HCs, or subverter lock-downs), and putting Titans back a tier or two in the tech tree is not going to make them too difficult to acquire...

I personally advocate a DPS nerf and to put titans at tiers 2-5 (that not only requires an extra lab, but makes all the techs more expensive)...Titan abilities are pretty damn powerful on their own, so I'd like to seem them more in line with capital ships in terms of raw DPS per fleet supply...

Just had my first game against an AI last night.  I naturally went straight for the titan.  I got the four techs in the military tree and actually went looking in the 'building' tech tree to look for research to build the huge factory to build the titan.

That didn't sound clear.  I think there should be techs to build the gantry that builds the huge titans. 

I was only playing a normal AI so killing him was easy.  I went in with a titan and about 10 basic frigates and 5 corvettes (sorry don't know the names, I'm a vasari player).  I was loyalist btw. I also had the new capital ship which was quite interesting.  the cap ship died but the titan was no where near death.

Pretty difficult to pull off, actually (and we knew a Titan was being built via Teamspeak)...Titans don't take long enough to build for a fleet to jump 10 grav wells....in a 5v5, people are close enough to probably make it difficult, but then you'll just see eco players rushing them instead...

In the online game we played the player who rushed the titan was able to go from starting to build it to finish in 7 minutes. If you're not already attacking that player that's not enough time to stop it. And as mentioned the notifications don't always work. Typically you only get the first warning and not the progress.

Were the titans the same level? That's all that seems to matter, in our game it was the Rebel titan that owned everyone and easily beat a lower level loyalist titan even with a supporting fleet.

Stardock wants people using them and figuring them out.  Why have tough requirements to field now?  That can be balanced out later.