I really think they should get both, but whatever. The only thing is Polistes is that the TEC ogrovs can take out starbases well, but trinity Advent and Vasari antistructure cruisers are either non-existant or ineffective. Granted it sounds like one Advent titan will have the ability to capture planets through Auxillary government, so that will negate many loyalist benefits, and what I assume are the Vasari loyalist seem to get the ability to bring something in addition to their titan that  can help in that setup, but that still leaves two factions with a hard time dealing with this situation. The old counter of bomber swarms won't work well against a titan.

That said, I agree the best thing to do in that situation is the outflank them. There maybe situations where that's not possible, but you should have most of the map by then, and thus its just a war of attrition. A very painful one but you should have won at that point anyways, and with the new victory conditions it may not be necessary to fight through them.

I think the twin SB tech is fine considering how deep in the tree it is. As long as the Advent and Vasari anti structure units get changed or buffed I'm ok with it. The Advent starfish needs an option to focus fire and the Vasari Star base needs to build and upgrade faster in enemy territory (yes I know there's a tech that helps with this, its not enough).

the vasari gets a phase jumping sb so they dont need to be able to build a starbase faster in an enemy grav well they can just build on in there and jump it in

Good thing your not betting any money since no one is getting such a tech currentlly.

That said i really wish they'd make it so that the health, weapon, and possibbly hanger upgrades don't count towards the upgrade limit. But reduce the max upgrades to say 3 or 4. Right now the health and weapon/hanger upgrades are so vital to an effective starbase that several other options are partially or wholly sidelined because you can't afford the upgrade slots.

Whether the current Sins MP community likes it or not I'll bet the new players who get the game won't be so enamored to those old settings. Stardock still has some stuff to do to really flesh out the new victories but just as a means of speeding up the game I think it'll eventually become the norm. With the auto match sharing I suspect a new map pack might start to even cut into the dominance of Random maps, especially if they can be optimized for certain victory modes.

Well, in the case of dual starbase, when you place them near each other, one of the more useful upgrade is the repair thing... it allow each starbase to repair the other one...

It is the only way to succes in single player using huge multistar map... so much novalith bullet are flying around that starbase with aux gov is the only way to keep any planet... diplomacy don't have any effect on novalith... same if you have a ceasefire, are at peace and have planet vision ( to be sure that AI know that they shoot at friendly planet ), it change nothing... they continue to shoot at you ( first screenshot )... a lot ( second screenshot )  

That second one... DANG!

if you captured an enemy planet, even tho u guys are allies the novalith can still fire on a world because  the AI still thinks its an enemy planet because it dose not have current (updated) info (they didnt explore it yet)... same thing with you. if you allied with someone and they took over a planet that you have not explored in a while- it still shows as an enemy planet  and you can bombard them with your novaliths  

Yes, i was thinking that they shoot on me because they don't know that i own the planet but nothing have change with planet vision...

And the nova bullet in the second screenshot are from my 2 allies... the dark blue one have not planetvision... have loose diplomatic point with the imposssible "send envoy" mission... the hundred of rebels ship around his planet make it impossible to keep a enjoy cruiser alive...

Have maybe something to do with the new victory conditions... i use the homeworld victory condition and 90% of the nova bullet in the second screenshot are targeting my homeworld... who survive only because a starbase with remote gov option...