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Planetary resource ideas

March 28, 2012 4:27:38 PM from Sins of a Solar Empire ForumsSins of a Solar Empire Forums

So i thought it would be cool to have new planetary resources on planets. heres a small list of ones that might be cool:

1. an artifact that slows all ships phase space jump speed away from the planet, not just your enemies.(could stack with your own jump destabilizer?)

2. pirates curse: a curse that scares pirates so much they wont raid that particular planet ever.

3. part planet: higher credit income from tourists, but ships only gain 90% of the normal experience in the gravity well due to people being drunk.

 

thoughts? suggestions?

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Reply #1 March 29, 2012 5:16:30 AM
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Empath Aura - Increases diplomatic bonuses and relation gains from envoys in gravity well (faster for both parties).

 

Low Gravity Simulators - Capital ships start with more experience.

 

Dense Metal Alloys - Increases structures' armor rating.

 

Cryogenic Chambers - Planetary bombardment has reduced effect on population.

 

Repulsor Field - Enemy movement towards planet in the gravity well is significantly reduced.

 

Propaganda Satellites - Grants a boost to planet allegiance and friendly culture bonuses.

 

Symbiotic Lifeforms - Doubles population gains and losses.

 

Historical Archives - Reduces planet upgrade costs.

 

Quantum Encryption Protocols - Jams PSIDAR readings (jumps from this planet are invisible).

 

Holy Memorials - Reduced cost for civilian labs; increased cost for military labs.

 

Probably not all viable but this is really fun. 

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Reply #2 March 29, 2012 9:04:15 AM
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Some of those ideas are great (Cryogenic Chambers, Propaganda Satel, Historical Archives, ect.) but i don't think that the upgrades to the individual planet are the best idea.  most (if not all) current artifacts give a empire-wide bonus.  while some of the ideas above for a single planet arent bad, the idea that only one planet is effected, i think, decreases the value for owning an artifact.  thoughts?

also, the artifacts that are already in game, are pretty powerfully.  any added artifacts should be roughly the same, strength wise.  i think that only the best three or tour ideas should be implemented because that way we wouldnt have 20 artifacts available but only 8 are on the map...thoughts???

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Reply #3 March 29, 2012 9:57:04 AM
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Not all of these were intended as artefacts, spacepilot.

The planet specific ones were meant as planetary bonuses, like Heavy Falloff, which reduces population growth on a planet by 20%, and causes the player who just colonized the planet to seeth with anger for 5~10 minutes, depending on how high you have the anger management tree researched.

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Reply #4 March 29, 2012 10:40:38 AM
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Quoting spacepilot,
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while some of the ideas above for a single planet arent bad, the idea that only one planet is effected, i think, decreases the value for owning an artifact. thoughts?


I've noticed a couple artifact posts lately, and not to be lame, but I can't help but feel artifacts are fine as is now. 12 is a fair bit, and the only one that really struck my fancy was a galaxy wide boost in ship speed. Anytime you have so many you might go entire games without seeing them is a bit unfortunate. That said, I wouldn't mind the idea of a little more variety of planet bonuses. As is, there IS a pretty impressive list, but when you start considering how many apply to each specific planet type, the list shrinks up.

If I could make one change, however, I don't know if it'd be the addition of more bonuses/artifacts, but just to make them (or at least bonuses) more common in the maps. Exploration sometimes feels like I'm wasting money unless I'm turtling, and really, in that case I've usually have already won and am just trying to stretch the game out.

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Reply #5 March 29, 2012 10:41:54 AM
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Not all of these were intended as artefacts, spacepilot.

The planet specific ones were meant as planetary bonuses, like Heavy Falloff, which reduces population growth on a planet by 20%, and causes the player who just colonized the planet to seeth with anger for 5~10 minutes, depending on how high you have the anger management tree researched.

 

Thanks Mr. Haze,

that makes more sence...me and my stupid one eye!

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Reply #6 March 29, 2012 2:07:35 PM
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I just wanted to be clear my idea is for planetary resources, NOT planetary artifacts. resources are like dense molten core, or penal colony, or media hub. things like that. I think that rather than having a set resource for a certain planet type, have it come from a random selection.

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Reply #7 March 29, 2012 6:31:22 PM
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Quoting XubXub,
reply 4

Quoting spacepilot, reply 2while some of the ideas above for a single planet arent bad, the idea that only one planet is effected, i think, decreases the value for owning an artifact. thoughts?

I've noticed a couple artifact posts lately, and not to be lame, but I can't help but feel artifacts are fine as is now. 12 is a fair bit, and the only one that really struck my fancy was a galaxy wide boost in ship speed. Anytime you have so many you might go entire games without seeing them is a bit unfortunate. That said, I wouldn't mind the idea of a little more variety of planet bonuses. As is, there IS a pretty impressive list, but when you start considering how many apply to each specific planet type, the list shrinks up.

If I could make one change, however, I don't know if it'd be the addition of more bonuses/artifacts, but just to make them (or at least bonuses) more common in the maps. Exploration sometimes feels like I'm wasting money unless I'm turtling, and really, in that case I've usually have already won and am just trying to stretch the game out.

 

The variety probably is fine. I'm probably a little biased towards wacky powers just because I play Cosmic Encounter (love that game).

 

I definitely agree that the frequency of bonuses needs to be increased. I can probably count on one hand how many I've discovered with exploration. Paying and waiting to upgrade your planet and getting NOTHING is the opposite of fun (read: not). Exploration should give you something every time. A weak bonus, a cache of resources, flippin' lore about the planet or SOMETHING!

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Reply #8 March 29, 2012 9:12:45 PM
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As a new Artifact you could have a Titan - an extra pre-cursor Titan discovered that immediately comes into play under your control at the system.   What would be really kewl is if it looked like Space BattleShip Yamato

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Reply #9 March 31, 2012 12:25:42 AM
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Quoting tysothepirate,
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As a new Artifact you could have a Titan - an extra pre-cursor Titan discovered that immediately comes into play under your control at the system.   What would be really kewl is if it looked like Space BattleShip Yamato

 

I made this thead about PLANETARY RESOURCES not artifacts guys. But, your suggestion does have merit. Maybe some kind of system defense forces that don't have phase drives.

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Reply #10 March 31, 2012 1:13:19 AM
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rogue_ghost,

It'd definitely be nice if planet bonuses got an overhaul, both in frequency and variety. The trick would be making them something worth the exploration necessary to discover them. Unless you're talking exclusively about ones discovered on scouting/colonization, not exploration? As is, they're really just some fluff you (uncommonly) see while looking for artifacts.

This is a shame, as I really like the idea of planetary bonuses, and it'd be neat if certain worlds would have bonuses that could really tempt you to specialize it accordingly. Double trade revenue, +50% ship build speed, something very strong on a planetary level, but whose strength wouldn't unbalance the game on a galaxy level. I realize this isn't quite what you wanted discussed, but unless the strength and probability of planetary bonuses is adjusted first, I don't see there being much point in adding variety.

A reference point, Galactic Civilizations 2. Individual planets could often have bonuses, sometimes insanely good ones (+600% to research for the planet, for example), and you'd have to be a fool to ignore it. This helped make you care about customizing individual planets, and gave it a feel deeper than "Oh, just another planet". But if you chose to ignore that bonus, you could still carry on the game without feeling penalized.

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