In addition to seleuceia's reply, the guardians also require tech 5 for repulsion, which costs an insane amount of crystal.  Honestly the advent tech tree is a nightmare of high priced abilities.

In my experience, the two debuffs were linked, and both triggered at the same time.

ie. If I moused over a ship the Vespas were shooting they'd have something like:
20% Energy Weapon Cooldown
20% Animatter Regeneration

Or something like that, always the same number, increments of 10%.

Well they did say that a lot of the abilities in .62 weren't finalized.

With the way things sound it seems that advent titans are only worth 6000-7000 credits. 9000 is overkill

I really hope they make the Advent Titans better rather than reducing their costs...

On the other hand sareth, the Advent have faster researh speeds than the TEC, which should compensate for their lack of a better economy somewhat.

Hi all,

Been doing some thinking, got a couple ideas for changes to titan abilities, specifically to the Rebel Advent and TEC. 

For the TEC, overcharge is fairly underwhelming, and to be honest I was hoping that the Ragnarov would have some serious anti planet capabilities. Therefore, I'd suggest the following: move overcharge to a regular ability. Merge explosive shot and snipe, nerf the damage. Keep scattershot the same. Make the ultimate ability something like 1000 planet health damage, 75 population damage. Basically this would be a much bigger and badder version of the Marza's planet bombing ability and I think makes sense given the aggressive nature of the TEC rebels. Nerfing the damage of the explosive shot/snipe combo makes it balanced while keeping the basics of the two abilities intact. 

For the Advent Rebel titan, mostly the level 6 ability needs to be changed. I like the theory behind it, but requiring the titan to die in order to use it goes against (in my mind) the whole idea of building titans. I understand that it fits with the general sacrifice overtones to the Advent Rebels, however in practice the ability is situational and uncontrollable by the player who owns the Rebel titan. My suggestion is simple, keep the basics of the ability the same, change the requirements. Make it usable only when the titan reaches a certain health threshold, say 1500 health. It then receives Invulnerability, buffs to ability recharge and AM recharge, and a buff to damage for 45 seconds, with a cost of about 200 AM and a recharge rate of 80 seconds or so. This keeps the general spirit of the ability while making it more usable and dangerous. 

I think these changes would make a lot of sense, as so far the Rebels of the Advent and TEC factions have weaker titan ultimate abilities than their Loyalist counterparts. Both are more damage oriented but have, as of now, relatively useless ultimate abilities. What do you all think?

I think the Rebel titan needs some work.

It's first ability should have a lower cool down and restore more based on rank  Honestly I hope they scrape it because I hate the whole sacrifice and rebirth theme of the Rebels.

The second ability the aoe is the only one I dont have a problem with. Maybe a more visible effect on the target.

I like the third ability more than the first, though since the enemy can just focus your titan first or ignore your supporting fleet its not as good as it could be. Imo it should also trigger when the titan kills an enemy.

The ultimate. All I think it needs is for it to be an activated ability, while active anti matter regen is increases cool downs are decreased and the titan cannot drop below 1 hull point/die. This ability would automatically trigger on death. As some one else said currently this ability is something your opponent controls. In my opinion players should be able to trigger it at will making it a question of "do i use it at the start and go to town on their fleet or do i hold it in reserve as insurance?"

I really like the Loyalist Titan, all of its abilites felt cool/useful. I would like the effects of the abilities to be clarified, first what is the chance of conversion (does it increase with ranks?) and is the damage for unity mass a set amount plus x for each nearby friendly or is it x for each nearby friendly up to a set amount? Also how close do friendlys have to be to count?

Lastly I think the effects on the Advent Titans look really cool, Unity Mass looks awesome and the Rebel ultimate looks really cool as well.

No, its an awesome ability and the most unique faction yet IMO. Lower the cooldown maybe, but if you know how to use the Eradica it gets amazing synergies with it. Once all the Advent techs get working right you'll have no shortage of ships to sacrifice to fuel its rampage.

That's the point, its supposed to synergize with sacrificing your ships so you both heal and increase your damage output when you use it. The only bad thing is that its range is shorter than sacrifice for the same level, I'd standardize them since you'll always want to advance these together.

The Eradica's ultimate could be one of those "Boom Bust" deals as well...

For example, you get invulnerability plus really nice ability cooldown and AM regen...but after that 60s is up, the ship is "fatigued" or whatever and has to deal with a massive ability cooldown penalty for a minute or two (perhaps coupled with other debuffs, maybe a weapon cooldown penalty or passive hull/shield/AM regen penalty)....

In this matter, a player always has full control over when he can use the ability...do you use it from the beginning to try and gain the upper hand quickly, or do you save it until you are desperate?

Good idea

Heh, you play WoW as a paladin as well seleucia?  This is just like how blizzard balanced out the paladin's bubble by adding the forebearance debuff.  I'd say you go a little heavy on the post invulnerability debuff, but the balance is there for sure. Its a super ability, why have a debuff at all?  Just have a reasonably determined cooldown and cost.

Never been a big Advent fan, but the rebel titan really just made me go 'meh'.  It has a severe case of 'Kol Syndrome' where it's only really effective if you opponent focus fires it.  Sure it does a lot more DPS than a Kol does but if you don't shoot it 2 of its 4 skills don't do anything.  That's really not good design.  The passive in theory is designed to make ignoring the titan bad since it powers up, the the damage increase isn't nearly scary enough to make me attack it before wiping out the supporting fleet.  All it's really good for is spamming its one aoe damage skill, which while pretty good doesn't save the whole package.

You pretty much took the words out of my mouth(only in my case due to my tendency to rant the same point took about 4 pargraphs, so props).

But yeah, Strength of the Fallen doesn't reeally do much to dissuade the enemy from ignoring the Eradica.  it's going to hit max stacks quickly regardless, and when it does it's not really all that scary(the much easier to kill attendant frigate fleet does a lot mroe damage then the eradica even at max stacks).

And moreover once the attendant fleet of frigates is dead, 2 of Eradica's 3 abilities become useless(no new stacks of strength of the fallen and nothing to eat).  Combined with the fact the level 6 ability does nothing until Eradica dies, by icing the frigate component of your fleet first, the enemy essentially removes all of Eradica's abilities except for one.  And as has been said, there's not much of a cost.  even at 5 stacks the Eradica is WAY easier to ignore then either TEC titan.

There are 2 problems with the implementation of Strength of the fallen(which is supposed to be THE incentive to not ignore eradica):

1). Pathetic base damage.  The Eradica deals less base damage then the TLT, which also ha abilities, better defensive base stats, and to top it all off is supposed to be a defensive supporter(Eradica's general design looks as though ti was intended to be more offensive by comparison).  The eradica's base damage should be higher then the TLT, or at the very least as high

2). The current design of the ability makes it more of a dependable early-fight buff that disappears after awhile then an actual persistent reason for the enemy to not ignore the eradica. In large battles with AoE damage, titans, and likely plentiful strikecraft, there's very little question at least5 frigates are going to die fairly early in the battle.  And once those 5 die, the Eradica offers no further penalty for icing more- So the enemy may as well keep wiping out frigates.  Honestly I'm starting to think either the stack cap has to be increased to perhaps 10-15 (with the damage per stack perhaps reduced a bit as necessary- the point it's easier to justify balancing the ability so the Eradica becomes a nightmare at 12-15 stacks then it is at a measly 5 stacks) Or alternatively have some secondary effect each time an allied unit dies that always is applied- Something that means some benefit is gleaned every time an allied unit nearby dies.

Also is such a rework were instituted I suspect it may be a good idea to make the death of corvettes not trigger strength of the fallen or have reduced effect.  it's difficult to improve the ability so that it really dissuades ignoring the Eradica when bringing a along a large contingent of cheap-to-produce born to-die corvettes allows the eradica to cheaply and reliably build stacks on Strength of the Fallen regardless of your opponent's intentions.  Without somehow limiting corvettes synergy with the ability it may be difficult to give it the buffs necessary to actually make it a deterrent to targetting the Eradica's retinue of frigates.

[EDIT: HA! somehow this still managed to become a rant despite my original intentions to say I agreed and add a bit of my own thoughs.]