Advent are weak!!

I'd like to see the Advent Titans tuned up too. Some of the new techs seem underwhelming compared to the TEC ones too, but it's really a Titan issue. The TEC titans are awesome, whereas the Advent ones are good but not awesome.

Buff it so we have more awesome, rather then nerf the TEC ones into mediocrity IMO.

The TEC have their share of pointless and mediocre techs too. Haven't played enough to decide which factions are the best though.

Still, stuff like 2x starbase and allying with pirate/neutrals has an effect on how you play the game. The new Advent stuff leads to playing almost the exact same way as before, there's nothing really new or "Oh, wow!" about it. I'm not being hyperbolic when it feels like, to me, that they ran out of ideas. I'm not saying that's the case, I'm sure it isn't, but that's how it felt when I unlocked the new Advent stuff. An additional numerical bonus here or there or passives with a small percent chance of firing are boring.

I'm actually playing very differently as Rebels than I did as Vanilla Advent, though that's in no small part thanks to the additions of their Corvettes and the immensely sexy Discord.

I also look forward to seeing Resurrection and Reanimation in action, still not sure if they're bugged or not.

Advent Rebels will certainly play quite differently. I feel they are by far the most unique faction so far.

I tried sacrificing my own planet to fry buildings on the neighboring asteroids, was quite fun actually and with a starbase that has bombing protection you can keep the planet, too. Play with a TEC friend and use their envoy for a pop boost for best effect (Best used in combination with a deliverance to mop up faster after the strike). I also use the Corvettes a lot (i.e. cause they are good food for the Rebel titan).

From what I know now the playstyle of the Advent hasn't change that drastically, however my playstyle with the TEC loyalists isn't that different, either.

I've actually played both and to me both Advent factions play almost the same. All of their tech is unnoticeable, they need to give a visual queue for the Return of the Fallen/Reanimation. Wail fo the Sacrificed is probably the only actual visual for the rebels and even then it is hard to use optimally because it takes time to get a high population. 

Yep, and you need an actual high population world (terran/desert) right next to one or more enemy worlds to be fully efective, makes it a bit too situational.

Finishing up a game with the Advent Loyalists now, and I'm underwhelmed compared to the TEC. Shame because Advent are my favorite faction, but they feel weak compared to the TEC (except the Halcyon and Progenitor, I still love those two).

Advent titans need better base stats(mostly eradica needs better weapons damage and Coronata needs more hull/shields) and some abilities need to be looked at(eradica level 6 ability, radius on Strength oft he Fallen, Subjugating Assault needs to do SOMETHING against titans/capital ships, and Unity mass is rather underwhelming by comparison to snipe).

The one other issue with the titans is that both ships rely on the advent's fleet of frigates actually being around, which is far from dependable being that for example the TLT can disable every defense the advent has against AoE damage(interupts guardian shield projection and Progenitor shield regen) with Disruption Matrix, while deals wid-area AoE damage.  It gets worse with the fact that during that period the advent's defenses are down they can drop other aoes(most notably Marza ult, which is uninteruptable for 11-14 seconds of it's duration with higher rank disruption matrix).  The point is fleets of frigates get shredded by AoE now and the advent has no counters when there's a TLT in play.  Meaning against TEC loyals the Advent titans won't have the attendent fleets they depend upon for long(coronata is a support titan and depends on it's fleet for damage, the eradica has 2 of it's 3 abilities dependant on having allies to die/kill).  Vasari Rebels will also have an aoe diable on their titan likely giving rise to the same issues.

   Honestly short of nerfing disruption matrix the only thing I could think of changing this is making the iconus guardian's shield projection not a channel anymore(thoug hif this were done while using shield projection the guardian's engines should still be disabled- moving shield projectors would be too strong)

The Discord  is perfect.

Advent rebels need to get some of their tech tiers reduced(they get pretty much nothing before T5 or so).  Some of the loyalist ones seema  bit high, but at least the loyals have 3 pretty solid low tier techs that definitely affect their playstyle.

In particular the upgrade that adds shield-restore to temples of renewel should be mvoe to a low tier and continue adding the ability to repair platforms as well- it would give the advent rebels something to turtle behind while they get to their high tier techs.

As the advent are my favorite faction I have to say I disagree with a lot of what is being said about them I think they are very powerful albeit I do agree that some techs should be tinkered with such as the rebel discount for temple of communion however I think the ALT is a lot note powerful than peoplegive it credit for when it has the right synergy o ships with it as advent are supposed to have its an unstoppable idol ofdestruction love it when it says we seek minds to make our own lol the point is that you can not play them the same as you would the tec the ALT was not designed to be a one ship wrecking ball

I haven't really looked into the Advent yet (just the Discordia's abilities).  I normally only play advent when I want to carrier spam (very fun with the Advent, by the way), so I don't know any good playstyles yet, but the Advent titans are supposed to be support.  I think the bay of renewal is supposed to make up for the titan.  If your capitalships (and Titans) can last longer because of the ToR + Antimatter draining = enemy (most likely) screwed, then does it matter if your titan has more hull points, especially if you can get the lost hull and shields back faster?

Basically, I think you're seeing the Advent titans the wrong way.

Oh I agree entirely that the titan isn't weak.  It just has a few kinks to work out that make it weaker then the TEC titans.

The difference in base stats between TEC and advent titans is the biggest issue.  Right now the more defensive TEC titan(the TLT) deals 20% more weapon damage per second to the more offensive advent titan(the eradica).  The coronata needs to have it's hull/shields increased by maybe 10-15%- it's just a bit low for a titan that needs to be on the front line and has no form of self-healing.

Subjugating Assault works great....IF the enemy actually brings along a ton of frigates.  Many opponents will fight your titan with fleets primarily consisting of their titan, cap ships, and carriers parked o nthe other side of the gravity well to avoid feeding youe titan.  Against these tactics the ability does nothing. It needs to do something against capship/titans so it always does SOMETHING.

Unity mass is decent, but is completely outshown by the Ragnarov's snipe ability.  Again it's not so much that the advent titans are bad, they just don't emasure up well to the potency of TEC titans.

Moreover the whole concept of a support titan requires it to have a fleet to support.  Nothing the advent has in it's arsenal will keep your fleet of frigates alive when a TEC Loyal combines a ranked up disruption matrix(preventing your whole fleet from using abilities for 11-14 seconds, and interrupting any guardian shield projections/progenitor shield regens) combined with other TEC AoE/damage(worst of all is Marza ult which with disruption matrix becomes uninterruptible for 11-14 seconds).  White not quite as extreme, titans in general make the life expectancy of frigates in battles involving titans less-then-good.  Not to mention bringing a frigate fleet along risks feeding the enemy titan.  This is mostly a very specific issue- both advent factions REALLY need something to keep their fleet alive through disruption Matrix(as both titans require an attendant fleet of frigates to be effective).  Which is to say they need some way to mitigate or heal damage in an aoe that isn't channeled and has a decent duration(at least 10 seconds).  Well that's assuming Disruption matrix doesn't see it's ability disable nerfed in some way.

Disruption Matrix probably should be nerfed, or put on a weaker ship (capital?)

Great feedback!

Yeah, I've been playing a very long Advent Rebels game and have not seen anything that indicates these techs actually work.

Me two.

Bringing this thread back again from the depths of the page 3...

today, as i tried Vasari, shortly after the beginning of the game, my first cap - Skirantra Carrier lvl4 + cca 5 Assailants - ran into 2 Advent Halcyons - lvl 2 and 3 - and i WON!

Now i did not mind that, as Vasari are my race of choice, but perhaps its true, that Advent are somewhat weak...

Weeeeeellll that depends on what abilities and strike craft loadouts the Halcyons had, realistically they shouldn't have lost that.

Looking at the abilities that are on the sins wiki today, I must say that the TEC titans on paper look a lot more powerful.

It strikes me as odd that for the race that relies most on capital ships, it's titans aren't even more powerful.  The Advent titans have significantly less health, shields, and DPS than the TEC while not seeming to have significantly better abilities. I can see some synergies happening between the Discord and the Eradica, but it just seems like it's a fleet ship, not an Advent fleet ship.  I was expecting insane synergies and it seemed to be a bit of a let down.  Maybe I'm wrong, but I didn't see anything that looked spectacular like the Ankylon or Ragnarov.

I got this fleet of my tec loyaliat, 60 Lrm, 12 carrior, 12 heavy curiser, 12 light cont, 11 repair, 3 commandship, 6 capitan ship, few corvellet class in this game,  one of every kind, battleship, carrior, support, ect. all are 10 level, titan 10 level, fighting this hard level a.I in his homesystem, "now, I did destory his starbase without his fleet suppot, but not heavy lose, in fact maybe 5 supply fleet lost, now they had title 6 level, 8 capitan ship thier level is range 6 to 8 level, basic I lost to them yes, I lost whole fleet to them, but I did make all my capitan ship fleeing with thier low hitpoint, not want lost 10 level each time they near death, by one, by one I command

capitan ship fleeing, till my last titan flee and thier 5 capitan ship still strong. what a hell? that's can't be right. how hell that happan, I lost most my fleet to them!!!! too many man die and they still stronger by level up, though they not had 10 level, but funny is that all

my capitan and title is 10 level and I careful pick a good ablity!

I do agree with the disruption matrix posing a threat to the advent other than that though well the coronata atleast as I believe the rebel techs are not working properly at this juncture I think the advent loyalist are epic! I just finished a long game where I had a large fleet with the coronata in the lead of course =] I was going up against an upgraded enemy advent starbase and when I had my cap ships supporting the coronata with many defense vessels and illum spam lol unity mass IS INSANELY DEADLY! Suppression Aura is epic for slowing down fleets trying to escape whilst you bomb them to oblivion I am in love with the coronata atm but I do agree that the AI needs some work as it does only insist on building cap ships which renders subjugating assault useless I agree that it should do atleast SOMETHING to cap ships

I take it English isn't your first language?  No offense meant here, but that was really hard to follow 

I figured it out since I am deaf and some of my friends are writing like that. It is nice to see other deaf to play this game! I thought I am only one.  

Do you have steam? If so, give me your name. I will add you.