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In my opinion there must be some more types of planets, maybe Whaterworlds etc. .

 

 

I dont know if i am the only on here, but on every planet are the same cities, and the cities of the differet races nearly look identic.  I think there must be different appereances, for example :

 

On the Planettype Moon maybe there the cities can be under big domes and the 'streets' between the cities can be tunnels who we can see on the planets surface.

 

 

What do u think about my idea and which do you have?

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Reply #26 Top

Quoting Sakhari, reply 23

Quoting ShotmanMaslo, reply 15I agree, why NOT add more planet types, and celestial object types in general? It would only make the game better, and is very easy to do. Water worlds should definately be added.

Just so I'm on the same page as the rest of the thread, is this more or less a purely aesthetic request or is there something that additional planet types are expected add to the way the game plays? 

I've seen people clamoring for moons since the original release and now we have Dwarf Planets (which were moons for a short time).  Net result in my games:  They're asteroids with a slightly higher population cap.  I guess it's nice to see a little more variety but I'm not making gameplay decisions any differently because of them.  What other niche are the additional planet types being floated here meant to fill? Outside of having a different texture, "why" whould they make the game better?
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Yes, they could also add something to the game. See Sins Plus mod for inspiration.

Reply #27 Top

Quoting Democrab, reply 18
I tend to not care much because y'know, I'm playing a game which is meant to be fun and not a physics lesson.
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Fine to have that opinion, and as I said, there's a lot in Sins that isn't accurate. It wouldn't really be any fun if it was perfectly accurate. However, I do want to herald a warning: Whenever possible, things should be accurate. There are actual science books given to children that say that there is such a thing as green and violet stars.

Why do such things happen? Because the people who select books for children are not experts in the field or anything. They have people removed from history books because they never heard of them... They do this because they only know what they have experienced.

I feel that people in the know have a responsibility to be accurate whenever possible so that the people that don't care, that don't bother to check things out, they can't screw it up as badly. If every space game had green stars in it, a lot more people would believe they are possible. Now, most games are pretty good about this, and there are still issues. I don't lay all the blame on Sins or even video games in general. But every little bit of accuracy helps promote a culture of accuracy, of knowledge. This is the best we can do if we are unable to get the right people for jobs such as selecting books.

So let me put it like this: I would vote to swap green stars for white stars.

Reply #28 Top

Quoting SithLordAJ, reply 27
So let me put it like this: I would vote to swap green stars for white stars.
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sith! get serious! its just a color! 

Reply #29 Top

Quoting SithLordAJ, reply 27
I would vote to swap green stars for white stars.
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I concur...I agree with your general premise, it may be "just a game" but having green stars isn't exactly helping the gameplay in anyway...a swap from greeen to white would be very appropriate, but I don't think it's going to happen...

Seeing as Gal Civ II also has green (and purple/pink) stars, someone at SD who does their games' stars either knows nothing about space or just wants pretty colors...in either case, I seriously doubt you're going to encourage them to change...

Reply #30 Top

Quoting axxo2, reply 28
sith! get serious! its just a color! 
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I'm not on a campaign to change the color, but everytime I get a response like this, it actually fuels my desire to have it change. This is only 1 thing of many, and it is trivial to change. There would have to be a string change or two and a variable would get a different color argument passed.

Do you have kids? Do you want them being taught about things that don't exist in school? What if they came home one day and had a book on pokemon and said that was what they were studying in school for the next semester? What if they removed Van Gogh from art classes because somebody never heard of him?

Isn't it better for society to improve? to strive to make the next generation better than the last? Years from now, shouldn't  quantum physics be taught in 4th grade to all students? That's what I'm getting at. I'm only saying I think it was/is irresponsible of the developers to put green stars in the game in the first place. No, I do not expect them to change it either.

However, responses that imply 'it doesn't matter' bother me. It's like lying about something. When you tell the lie, you think it's easy to maintain. Then, if someone checks it out a bit, you have to lie about other things and try to keep this concocted story straight. The problem was that when you decided to lie in the first place, you didn't see/think about all the interconnections and affects your lie would have. These things do matter. Not to the game, but to the perceptions of people who play them.

Reply #31 Top

ok heres an argument for you are the vasari real? should they be thought to kids? is killing easy? should kids be killing in video games? (MW3, BF3?) in soaso is it morally correct to "teach" kids to bombard a planet.

relax sith they are kids if they will be interested in to WHY THE STAR IS GREEN and whats the difference scientifically? then they will find out on their own

part of being a kid is to have heroes and believe in things unbelievable u think kids care more about the color or the actual science behind it (the star in SOASE?) i think they would prefer a green looking star rather then a white one! +this has nothing to do with some one telling a lie "most of all Syfy fantasy games" have things that do not exist in real life. kids will eventually figure out things that are real and things that are not- its not worth stressing over the color of a star

and if ur still wanting white stars - :) make a mod with only white stare of  just no green ones 

p.s. most video game are not made for education- they are made for entertainment (at lease in europe ppl think that) maybe in america kids believe in what they see in video games....

Reply #32 Top

Quoting axxo2, reply 31
relax sith they are kids if they will be interested in to WHY THE STAR IS GREEN and whats the difference scientifically? then they will find out on their own
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This is a poor assumption, very very few people are going to play a video game with colored stars, see them, and wonder "are there actually green stars?" and then go look it up...even fewer are going to be able to filter all the BS they find and understand the science behind why there aren't green stars...

I've actually taught in a high school physics class the exact reason why there aren't green stars...I asked the students before my lesson what star colors they were aware of...most were not certain about any color other than yellow, and if I had casually included pictures of green stars I guarantee you no one would have been the wiser or called me out on it...

This isn't super mario galaxy where clearly everything is a joke and unreal...this is a space 4x game, and for better or worse elements of it are taken seriously and do influence people's thoughts...

Things like this may seem trivial, but they do add up...every kid can tell you people used to think the world was flat even though the circumference of the earth was measured around 200 BC...evey kid knows the Emancipation Proclamation freed the slaves in the US even though it did no such thing...society fills us with so much misinformation and we aren't even aware of it....

That there are green stars in a damn video game shouldn't matter...but sadly people will see them and just assume that's normal, that's right, that's how the universe really is....

 

Reply #34 Top
Soo basically, because of humans can't decern that particular wave length but, Vasari proably could because they maybe able to detect it because their vision acuteness is better then ours.
Reply #35 Top

Quoting axxo2, reply 33
well green stars exist according to this article, there are green stars but they emit yellow or white light!
so make texture green and glow yellow (everything solved)
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The article is, quite simply, wrong...or more precisely, the author is ambiguous and either is outright wrong or partially right but contradicts themself (hard to tell since it's so short and lacks details)...

Let us first establish some basic physical concepts:

  • Electromagnetic radiation has a spectrum, with visible light somewhere in the middle...for simplicity, we shall stick to the partcle understanding of electromagnetic radiation,....so, EM radiation is actually vast quantities of particles called photons...
  • Colors like violet and blue correspond to shorter wavelengths (higher energy photons) while colors like red and orange correspond to longer wavelengths (lower energy photons)...
  • All matter constantly emits EM radiation...this is known as blackbody radiation...
  • Blackbody radiation manifests itself as a distribution of EM radiation with photons of varying wavelengths (energies)...this distribution is somewhat similar to a gaussian distribution (bell curve) though technically it has a different functional form...the "peak" of the bell curve would correspond to the wavelength that is emitted the most (not a majority, but more than any other wavelength)...we shall call this the "peak wavelength"...
  • Temperature corresponds to black body emission in two ways:
    • Hotter objects have a shorter "peak wavelenght" (more energy per photon)
    • Hotter objects emit more radiation as a whole (more total photons)

Star color is determined by temperature...red stars have "cool" temperatures where the "peak wavelength" is closer to red than the rest of the visible light spectrum....blue stars have "hot" temperatures where the "peak wavelength" is closer to blue than the rest of the visible light spectrum...

So, what if a star's "peak wavelength" corresponded to green?  Recall that the radiation emitted is not all of the same wavelength, but is rather a distribution...even if green is the "peak wavelength", comparable amounts of red and blue will also be emitted...while the green photons may be the most numerous, they do not significantly outnumber the other colors, and so you have a decent mix of all the colors which, as you may know, makes white light...

In general, star colors (going from coldest to hottest temperature) go from red to yellow to white to blue...

Very cool stars such as brown dwarfs have a "peak wavelength" way outside that of the visible spectrum (probably in the infrared)...this does not mean they don't emit visible light, but rather they don't emit as much visible light due to their temperature as hotter stars do...because of this, other sources of visible light such as electron excitation may become noticeable and affect the star's apparent color...this would be the only way you could ever get a star color outside of the conventional red -> orange -> yellow -> white -> blue spectrum, and I'm not aware of any stars theorized to emit mostly green (though I'm sure there are some gas giants that may)...

Reply #36 Top

What the article is getting at is that when you see white light, it is a composite of red, green and blue light. So, yes, there are stars that emit green light. In fact, I think you'd be hard pressed to find one that doesn't. Florescent lighting emits green light, though I doubt you'd call it a green light. However, the combined affect of all emitted light makes stars appear blue, white, yellow, or reddish orange (and theres a smooth transition between them).

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Reply #37 Top

"Yes, stars of every color in the rainbow exist. In fact a star's color tells us something very important about it -- its temperature."

I guess this quote from the article is what bothers me the most, as it seems to me to clearly say green stars exist (hell, that any color exists)....

Reply #38 Top

I'm not defending that guy's very poor wording. I just know what he was trying to point out. It's pretty impossible for there to be a 'green' star seeing as how that classification doesn't exist. Not that if one were found, it wouldn't be added... but at the moment the only options are blue, blue-white, white, yellow-white, yellow, orange, and red.

His students say he's hard to understand as well.

Reply #39 Top

Quoting SithLordAJ, reply 38
His students say he's hard to understand as well.
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Dang, how do you know that?  (Assuming you are being serious which you generally are)...

Reply #40 Top

If we are going to go on about accuracy then all the ships need to be removed from the game and replaced with the now retired USA space shuttle, to make it militarily viable you get a research option to allow it to shoot a very basic projectile weapon that does 2 damage. And finally it cannot leave the gravwell of the planet its on.

Its fine to have these embellishments in a game, I like the green stars personally and reaqlly having just one or two star colors would make the map boring-oh gotta take the skyboxes out too.

From what little I know about space it seems that an accurate representation of space battle would be very boring, no sounds, explosions and other scifi fare.

Reply #41 Top

Quoting Seleuceia, reply 39

Dang, how do you know that?  (Assuming you are being serious which you generally are)...
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google searched him. not going to rip on someone who has higher certifications then me in the subject when i dont know anything about them