why isn't titan not a flagship?

tec kol flagship?

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Reply #1 Top

do you mean in flagship mode?

They decided that titan - Queen and flagship = King

Personally i think titan should be your flagship because then when it dies you lose the game instantly which would involve allot of strategy and risk in moving titans around

 

Reply #2 Top

Why would it be?

Reply #3 Top

yes in flagship mode. make sence to me at least that titan should be flagship, not kol.

Reply #4 Top

It would be pretty overpowered if you started with a titan at the start of the game. Its just a bit too powerful. So an expendable flagship unit that's equivalent to a mid level capitalship is a much better choice.

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I personally think they should make it to where your first capitalship built is your flagship. Although this would pigeonhole you into basically only using the Progenitor/Halcyon(maybe even the rapture is viable as an opener now)

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Quoting MayallCommunion, reply 5
I personally think they should make it to where your first capitalship built is your flagship. Although this would pigeonhole you into basically only using the Progenitor/Halcyon(maybe even the rapture is viable as an opener now)
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If you make it so that the first ship built, whether  capital ship or titan, is the first one, you run the risk that people might just never build them so as to prevent the risk of losing in that way. Whatever it is has to be spawned at the start of the game.

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Quoting GoaFan77, reply 6

Quoting MayallCommunion, reply 5I personally think they should make it to where your first capitalship built is your flagship. Although this would pigeonhole you into basically only using the Progenitor/Halcyon(maybe even the rapture is viable as an opener now)

If you make it so that the first ship built, whether  capital ship or titan, is the first one, you run the risk that people might just never build them so as to prevent the risk of losing in that way. Whatever it is has to be spawned at the start of the game.
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That was also something I thought of, but perhaps if you don't build a capital ship past 15 or so minutes you lose the game. I still would like to be able to perhaps chose my flagship, because its a well known fact the Radiance and the Revelation are not early game Capital Ships.

Reply #8 Top

Could make it an option at the start of the game to choose your flagship from a list of capital ships.  That way it spawns into the game at start and you can then pick the ship you want.

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Quoting DavidFalcon, reply 8
Could make it an option at the start of the game to choose your flagship from a list of capital ships.  That way it spawns into the game at start and you can then pick the ship you want.
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The flagship does not have the same attributes as a regular cap. The Devs could have used a scout as their image for a flagship.

Reply #10 Top

Because a Titan during the late game would be impossible to kill especially if you have a defensive one like the Ankylon.

If you managed to get the Ankylon to say level 6 or higher and put it between double starbases with full defense upgrades it becomes virtually impossible to kill. Not even a 100 bomber swarm is gonna kill the thing any time soon if you have the sense to put some fighter support.

A Titan set to flagship is extremely overpowering and you might as well not have it there because it isn't gonna die anytime soon. The point of the new victory conditions is to end stalemates not make them.

Reply #11 Top

At least choice flagship ship seem more fun and more personal taste. I hope they read this and gave a thought.

Reply #12 Top

in WW2, typically in a flag ship armada where you had say a carrier and a battleship, the carrier tended to be the lead ship in the armada with the admiral aboard the carrier.  Granted, when the Mighty Moe came around, the battleship DID become the flagship of the fleet during the signing of Japan's surrender, but it was also the largest and most powerful ship we had ever built at the time as well as it was second only to the Bizmark.

 

Basically what I'm saying is it IMHO would be more fun to pick the flagship rather than have it assigned. Yes, I know if you chose the carrier it comes with a whole new ball of wax than the battleship being it has strike craft and no high power lasers.  But I feel that fact would balance the difference out.

Reply #13 Top

Carrier SC have significantly more damage output than a battleship.  Not only that, but you can convert your damage output between fighters and bombers.

Reply #14 Top

why isn't titan not a flagship?



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For the eternal reason as it is in all navies :  The Admirals quarters on the Kol are nicer :)

Reply #15 Top

Quoting trackpads, reply 14
quoting post

why isn't titan not a flagship?





For the eternal reason as it is in all navies :  The Admirals quarters on the Kol are nicer
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How do you know you don't know what it's look like inside? LOL I would like to set Akkan Battlecruiser, it's much better living and

much nicer for Admiral quater because it's ensure you had a food from growing food in Akkan where there drome on top of ship,

anyway, I always think Akkan is flagship to me, because it's gave me 6 level abilty peace to enemies when thing get out of hand. LOL

Still Titan nice to make flagship though I do like Akkan's 6 level ability peace.

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Thread title has a double negative...

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Quoting DavidFalcon, reply 12
in WW2, typically in a flag ship armada where you had say a carrier and a battleship, the carrier tended to be the lead ship in the armada with the admiral aboard the carrier. Granted, when the Mighty Moe came around, the battleship DID become the flagship of the fleet during the signing of Japan's surrender, but it was also the largest and most powerful ship we had ever built at the time as well as it was second only to the Bizmark.

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As a history buff, I have to say that this was by no means a rule in World War II. Which ships were the "flagship" was entirely up to the particular Admiral and what ships were available. Early on in World War II aircraft carriers were still considered inferior to battleships (save perhaps in Japan), and battleships as a rule would have been the flagship. It was not until after the British raid on Taranto and the Japanese one at Pearl Harbor that the importance of aircraft carriers were realized.

The fact that most of the American battleships in the pacific were destroyed or disabled naturally lead to what forces that were left being lead by aircraft carriers. Thus the task force commanders who ended up leading operations like Bull Halsey and Spruance had aircraft carriers as their flagships because they were the only capitalships available, and thus they personally developed a preference for them. Tellingly though Spruance latter used the cruiser Indianopolis or the battleship New Jersey, and Admiral Nimitz when he rarely went somewhere often used the USS South Dakota as a flagship. Likewise for the Japanese, while the officer who carried out the attack on Pearl Harbor and midway's flagship was the Akagi, Admiral Yamamotto himself was usually safe behind the line on the Yamato, the largest battleship ever.

The main advantages for Battleships even in World War II is that they are harder to destroyed and have far bigger anti aircraft weaponry. Yamato for example took at least 11 torpedoes and 6 bomb ships to sink, and her sister ship Musashi took a lot more punishment than that. The main draw back was they they were slower than many aircraft carriers but this was something the Iowa class did not have a problem with.

Reply #18 Top

Quoting Humility, reply 15

Quoting trackpads, reply 14quoting post

why isn't titan not a flagship?





For the eternal reason as it is in all navies :  The Admirals quarters on the Kol are nicer

How do you know you don't know what it's look like inside? LOL I would like to set Akkan Battlecruiser, it's much better living and

much nicer for Admiral quater because it's ensure you had a food from growing food in Akkan where there drome on top of ship,

anyway, I always think Akkan is flagship to me, because it's gave me 6 level abilty peace to enemies when thing get out of hand. LOL

Still Titan nice to make flagship though I do like Akkan's 6 level ability peace.
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Good point, it also has that immense viewing deck at the top.  That would be a seriously awesome apartment :)

Now I want to have a pirate/privateer faction where we can smuggle and have lavish personal lifestyles.

-Jason

Reply #19 Top

On another note, to answer the actual thread questions.  The reason it is not a titan is that it would eliminate the entire purpose of Rebellion itself, the researching and building of the various titans.  Unless they were going to give you two that is.

Reply #20 Top

then you get most powerful ship at start which you send directly to enemy hw and kill it. After which you have 1 titan  against your 1 titan game,

Reply #21 Top

Pirate titan keep your flagship at bay then. LOL

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Quoting GoaFan77, reply 4
It would be pretty overpowered if you started with a titan at the start of the game. Its just a bit too powerful. So an expendable flagship unit that's equivalent to a mid level capitalship is a much better choice.
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No no :)

A titan as flagship would weaken the titans status ingame - although it might cause TEC rebel to rush from the get go - destroy an advent player quickly 

Reply #23 Top

I can understand why you wouldn't want to give a player a Titan as a flagship but it would be nice if the flagship model was a bit different than the standard model.  Something to make it look a bit tougher or more like a CnC vessel.  Not really important, but it would be a nice touch.

Reply #24 Top

Simple fix:

 

Make the game start you with your capitol as a flagship, but once you build a titan, make the titan BECOME the flagship.  The titan then remains as the flagship for the rest of the game. 

 

Coding that should be a matter of only a few "if" statements. 

Reply #25 Top

Honestly not a fan.

 

less strategy that way.  As it stands each race has 5 options for a flagship and that choice will have strategic implications on the entire game.  Make titans into flagships and each race/faction has exactly one choice in the long run.

 

 

Moreover It makes titan balance too much of a game-altering factor in this game mode.  Suddenly Titans with good survivability become far superior, leaving other factions in the dust.  Also there are niche issues introduced, such as the Advent Rebel titan essentially no-longer having a level 6 ability.

 

 

Moreover there's no reason the game objective has to be the strongest unit.