Not an excuse, there needs to be other ways to counter Red Button than their are available. Aside from that Red Button doesn't even hurt titans that much.

There is no actual way to tell if the opponent has redbuff. You can scout a Temple of Communion on a high pop world, you can scout kosturas, you cannot scout a red button you have to assume. And it comes down to game balance. Losing a whole fleet to one ability is broken, game balance > fun. Then again you can say its fun for you to kill the whole fleet, it sure isnt fun for me to lose a whole 700 supply fleet because someone wants to turtle all game.

I find you very boring when you start talking about repulse and sabotage reactor.

Repulse is meant to counter light frigates, cruisers, caps , titans and corvettes. 

Just because things don't go your way and you can't field the right amount of bombers to take out guardians is none of our business.

Your claim is biased. Lets talk about the advent weaknesses first:

• Low hull points and armor -dependency on abilities
• Expensive carriers meaning you have only a few of them
• Damage spread out along many weapon banks so single front bank firing has a very low dps: Illums and defense vessels , Adjusticator.
• There weaknesses include 95% of all their line up:
• Micro management of Utility cruisers

Tec's ace card: Hoshiko

Vasari: Repair cloud from Cap that repairs even Strike craft:

Advent: Repulse to push away enemies and avoid them firing on their low hull and armor units. 

Theirs a catch:

An advent player has to spend more for an effective repulse combo: e.g disciples with transfer anti-matter, and purchase more expensive guardians while you could spend 800 credits for each carrier with bombers..(advent vs advent is the wrong approach).

Fleet engagement rules: Light frigates and sabotage reactor are effect counters against all Carrier cruisers since they depend on anti-matter. The advent defend their big expensive carriers with repulse..

Many people make the mistake of comparing the wrong units with their abilities vs something which counters them.

Edit

the most confusing part is why your even building light frigates that late in the game.

First off anyone that says anything about me being biased knows this isnt true because anyone who plays with me knows I play Advent in 95% of my games, my opinion is the exact opposite of biased, also the Advent are no longer this frail race anymore because LRF rushes no longer work against them. I don't need to be lectured about Advent weaknesses, my whole point is at the press of a button their fleet should not be immune to damage. Hoshikos are not an ace card, and you know that. Hoshikos are basically the cherry on top of the.. ice cream? Because Hoshikos are easily countered(mass Defense Vessels/Illums/steal antimatter.

Repulse is a 10 second immunity that allows a titan to farm off my units. And judging by your edit you did not actually watch the replay. I had 20+ Kodiaks, 20+ flak, 8+ Hoshikos. He took it all out with a titan and a small group of guardians(While warping in a small group of Destras). Granted the tec player was there but he also only had a titan and hoshikos because I destroyed both their armies multiple times. Titans aside there is no way their armies combined were over 2 fleet supply upgrades while I had around 5-6.

This is something I have suggested before, I would be fine with red button if I KNEW the enemy had it, you know the Transcencia has Meteor if it has +200/400 Antimatter.

Because bombers do not counter them... Thats the whole point of Halcyons... And Advent mass Defense Vessels anyways.. Although that did not happen in the replay. Just watch the replay and you will understand. The utility of Repulsion needs a nerf. I'll just break it down.

• I went to attack xenos capital, he had nothing left I wiped out his entire army, this is around where I had somewhere over 20 kodiaks, 20 flak, corvettes, and my capital ship. I watched the replay and even xeno acknowledged in allied chat "If he attacks me I lose". As I said I went to attack his capital as his titan was at around 75% and I wanted to kill his foundry. It was at this point that he started pumping out Guardians, while I was entering his gravity well. He just spams repulse so I cannot get to his foundry. At this point I decided to retreat back to my Dwarf Planet.(Keep in mind most of my economy was drained and our eco had to supply two fronts. Mine and Pirates. You're assuming I had the eco to instantly switch to Bombers)
• Back at my dwarf planet I am met by his titan and a handful of Guardians. He spams repulse so I cannot attack his titan I try to retreat to my capital planet and I cannot because of you guessed it repulse. There WAS no counterplay to repulse in this situation. Finally the TEC titan arrives, my fleet composition would of killed both titans if it was not for repulsion.
• In short he had a fleet supply of 0ish when I was attacking his capital, used repulse to get his titan out. Beat my 500ish fleet supply army with a handleful of units and a titan. Im not in denial, I just know imbalance when I see it regardless of if it is my own race or not.

Also going by your analogy because the Protoss Forcefield ability technically counters the range of Marines. It means the protoss army of 10 Sentries and an archon with 'proper micro' can beat an army of 100 marines. No, a single unit should not be that game changing.

No. Because one unit should not have one counter, therefore it is imbalanced. Also I am going to disregard your analogy because analogies are a flawed argument(read) "That he resorts to argument by analogy shows his argument is probably devoid of logic, evidence or facts."

Again I will make the point, this is not about if I countered properly. This is about the ridiculousness of the ability, you clearly did not watch the replay. Therefore any point you make is invalid because my argument is based on my replay. Riddleking I am not going to deal with your attempts to discredit my argument because you are the one with the biased view. Advent is one of your favored races and everyone knows this.

Now instead of trying to insult each other i'll give you some more facts.

1. 0:50:00 - I red button Xenos army dropping a 270 supply army to 75.
2. 1:00:00 - Xeno acknowledges if I attack him he loses.
3. 1:00:42 - I attack xenos base. He has NOTHING defending his titan foundry, it is at this point that he pumps out Guardians.
4. 1:02:23 - his titan is finished because he could stall me with guardians repulsion for around TWO minutes.
5. 1:07:00 I am unable to attack his army of just Destras.

My fleet of 27 Gardas/25 Kodiaks/10 Hoshikos/My level 8 sova(517ish fleet supply)

Lost to a fleet of 2 titans(both level 1, one eradica, one Ank(the no damage titan)), some tec corvettes, 16(thats fucking right sixteen) guardians, and a handful of destras that didnt really do anything because they poured in around the middle-end of the fighting. While yes their fleet supply was higher this was mainly due to corvette spam by the TEC which did not hurt any of my fleet because it was heavies, flak, and a capital with hoshikos. So in reality a combined fleet of around 300 fleet supply beat my 500 fleet supply army. 

Don't you dare tell me im wrong and no offense to xeno or the TEC player but if either of them were compitent and had a little bit of flak mixed with a halcyon that strategy he used would have been unstoppable. While you say just "build bombers" no, one unit should not have one counter.

~Fin

Correct me if I'm wrong, and I plan on going to test this out shortly anyway, but don't LRFs with their range boosted by an Akkan outrange repulsion?

(Oh and I haven't watched the replay yet, I'm just proposing a way for TEC to beat Repulsion Guardians that doesn't involve carriers.)

Read above.

@haze: They may, but I didn't have an Akkan so :/ I do see the reason behind your solution though. Although their armor type is heavy and using LRF's to just counter Guardians is probably one of the worst cost decisions you can make.

You are strawmaning an argument. Also you are biased so...
Haze never said that Javelis can kill Guardians, he said that he believes javelis can outrange guardian repulsion with Target Uplink, this may or may not be true, and if it is true we do not know how high in levels Target Uplink needs to be to actually make it effective against the Guardian, and even then it still is not an effective strategy because

A) It requires you to go through a huge planning process

B ) you have to ASSUME the advent player is getting repulsion or even guardians,

C) Javelis do NOT do good damage against Guardians, this is because of their armor type(75% damage).

These are facts Riddleking, you have none and you dare accuse me of trolling. Right now im going to go in game and test and see how effective the range upgrade to a javelis is with target uplink. And again you are only saying bombers, if this unit has only one known effective counter then it is OP. This still has not changed

Edit: It seems that Javelis do outrange repulsion without the target uplink, But again guardians are heavy armor meaning you will need much more javelis to counter the Guardian then is cost efficient. But yes it is a soft, VERY soft counter.

As far as im concerned you haven't watched the replay, your argument means nothing to me, therefore anything you say is invalid, you are the troll Riddle. You're biased Riddle you know that repulsion is broken regardless of if you want to admit it or not.

Another edit: Also because you also refuse to actually do research into what you are talking about bombers do NOT counter guardians while yes in mass they will one shot guardians, you are assuming in mass they will be wittered down and like I said before telekinetic push. If xeno were to have gotten a halcyon your "use bombers" strategy would have been invalid. And you know it. P.s: bomber damage is only good against very heavy. It does 50% damage to heavy just a fun fact.

Ok thanks I was not sure about the range because im still new to getting into the codes of the game so I could not find them:p

He means that if you mouse over the starbase you can see how much EXP it's worth in the info card.

More upgrades = more exp.