Kull: While I can understand why you are mad but im not going to let you ignore the main points of my last post. Instead you are pointing at smaller ones and insulting it. Such as offensive players cannot go economy, we are done here im assuming you agree. Now onto your post.

• If you actually looked at my post all he had was a titan and 15 guardians. I had a level 8 Sova(At the time I was testings its viability my opponent did not react properly and snipe it early, so saying I am bad for picking it is a fallacy because he did not abuse the fact that sovas are bad EARLY) and a huge fleet.
• Again as Seleuceia said LRF's are the BEST choice against guardians it does not mean it is not a shitty choice to be put in. The damage is fine but as I said in my last post that you completely ignored the Eradica will feed off the the LRF's.

Now im going to highlight one specific sentence from one of the bullets up there that is the main point. Because you skipped almost 90% of my post with your last one. There I bolded it for your to see, now like I said LRF's are. titan. food. Now, please do reply and tell me about how much you disagree, or strawman my argument, or go on a tangent about something that is completely unrelated. Or do as you say in your post about how you "lose or win I admit my losses" and respond with something relevant.

I know your point is I should have gotten better by perhaps building LRF's a good point, my point is LRF's = eradica food. No matter what the best choice to counter Guardians is to be in a shitty position which is wrong.

Edit: And for the record I do not appreciate you editing out some of my quotes for your own personal gain. Thank you very much.

Now that is understandable, but for the most part my posts were not necessarily referring to the replay. The replay was the best example I had to the difficulty the TEC has with dealing with that particular strategy and it does need a nerf. I am aware of the fact the TKP is broken after it is fixed TEC will almost have no chance of actually being able to defeat the Advent rebels. Now I do apologize if that did not come off as clear, if you actually look at the first post referring to countering the repulsion it had no mention of my replay(mainly because I am aware that riddleking had not actually watched it) and his points were based on speculation.

And what I was implying was that LRFs are the best solution to guardians. But that does not mean they are a good solution. And alright but do accept my apology for if I offended you in some way, I do get into debating about things very intensely and I usually look at points very narrowly as well.

Edit: but I do acknowledge what you are saying in that replay I do think there was SOMETHING I could of done, but that is because of a broken ability.

There is no real answer, LRFs is the only real solution to guardians, but as I said its not a good one. The same thing goes with bombers. Im assuming you would agree with this riddleking? For if you did not know the first level of Chastic Burst does 500 damage, every 20 seconds(Lower in faster games). There are a lot of viable ways to actually solve this problem that does not necessarily mean nerfing repulse but here are a few of them.

• The first direct approach is nerf repulse into oblivion, to be honest I don't think this would be as bad as people say it is because for the most part Advent armies like being close to the enemies(Flak/Illuminator(the only actual LRF not really effected by corvette spam). Repulse could be used as an oh shit button to back off enemies from their ships still. Or to block of phase lanes from having them warp. You could nerf it to sabotages 5000 range it still outranges the weapons of all the frigates but can be countered through proper micro.
• Then there is the inverse just buff sabotage, probably the one that you would like better. Because it does not involve nerfing the Advent. To be honest it never made sense to me why the Vasari Grav Distort had 8000 range while suppression did not. I understand sabotage is on a much more spammable unit, so that is a problem.
• The next solution is the unlazy solution which more than likely the devs will not do. And that is allowing for corvettes to go right through repulsion.
• Another more logical one would be to nerf chastics range to 3150 its a severely powerful spell and should leave the titan vulnerable.

No answer you are going to like because you like the way repulsion is in diplomacy. But there is not actual way for the TEC to counter it in rebellion. And if they do, it puts them in a worse position to counter a really cheap unit. Because as you said the only two counters that YOU know of are javelis and bombers. Much as to what seleuceia said bombers are high inneffective against an Advent fleet who has halcyons(A very common capital ship) as TKP owns them. And javelis I think have been explained thoroughly as they just cannot be produced en masse anymore(due to being countered by corvettes, which transitions into flak, which could transition into LF's but probably will just result in heavies and carries.). Due you want the honest brutal truth, there really is almost nothing a TEC player can do to come out on top of a player who executes this strategy, even if he kills the guardians they are cheap and easily replaced while the TEC player more than likely lost his fleet.

Heres a fun fact also, at max range javelis can hit a titan from 9800 range, the titan has to move closer to hit the Javelis with Chastic burst with a range of 5000. So moving closer to hit the LRFs with chastic leaves it at a range of 4800 this leaves the titan still outranging the heavies that have a range of 3150. This however does open up the option to EMP some of the titans AM. But if its at full AM your fleet is still shit out of luck.

I didn't even bother reading most of what you wrote because it was a simple question. I wanted strategic in game options.

Now you obviously understand that LRM outrange chastic burst   5000/6000km vs 9800 without targeting uplink right?

Do you also understand when someone is using repulsion there pushing the enemy out of range of chastic burst? 

I asked you a simple question and once again your rambling-- 

Your jumping ahead of yourself again.. lets take this step by step...chess style

Your being repulsed--the 7500km range barrier is in place so you start to snipe the guardians at 9800+ range, not the titan-nobody gives a rats ass about the titan until the guardians are gone so you can move within range and have all ability disabling abilities, sabotage, emp etc to start working-whatever your poison is . 

So the eradica is moving in for the kill-but you ignore it and keep firing at all the guardians... 

Lets play this chess style.. 

So what now? 

Stop right there-your rambling again--and your jumping back to your replay where you didn't have lrm in quantities--we r here , in my scenario where i have lots of flak, lots of hoshikos, lots of lrm, lots of carriers and a dozen command cruisers. Akkan + Dunov

so i kill the guardians  and win---no eradica shitting alover me just yet... don't be confused.

You do that. Think of a better way for my scenario to loose--you don't make sense by saying the guardians just got heavily fed by lrf... your titan you mean-but your confused, the titan has no guardians, its a level 1 titan, and emp is disabling all kinds of things around its 4500km range. 

Don't worry ill be here to discuss how i could loose tommorow.

The joy of circular argumentation! You guys should debate life and stuff like that, you have way too much time on your hands...

WRT the Eradica, unless my math is off, the Eradica would have to move in front of her Guardians to use Chaotic Burst on your LRMs, still within the repulsion bubble, but within range of several abilities (ie. emp) and a wider variety of weaponry, also level 1 chaotic burst on it's own without fracture or malice isn't going to do too much if your Hoshikos were on the job.

Edit - Ah wait, nevermind, you already covered this, I'm having trouble keeping up with these needless walls of text.

[quote who="Mr. Haze" reply="143" id="3150903"]WRT the Eradica, unless my math is off, the Eradica would have to move in front of her Guardians to use Chaotic Burst on your LRMs, still within the repulsion bubble, but within range of several abilities (ie. emp) and a wider variety of weaponry, also level 1 chaotic burst on it's own without fracture or malice isn't going to do too much if your Hoshikos were on the job.


Edit - Ah wait, nevermind, you already covered this, I'm having trouble keeping up with these needless walls of text.[/quote]

Mayall is needless..only wants a solution that doesn't involve using javelis and loosing some in the process while replenshing them with reinforcements. It could go on forever given the level of idiocy involved in a debate where the counter is not accepted because it suffers from too many losses.

One funny thing about this is given all the stuff we have discussed it then won't come as a no brainier to simply have your own titan in the mix for the extra fire-power. Just makes for an interesting debate don't you think? fleet vs titan fails so noob crys like a baby and posts replays of how using repulse is like cheating. 

You know... If Repulsion would be nerfed so that it doesn't push all frigate types out of weapon range except for the LRF's it basically becomes completely useless. So what exactly do you propose Mayall?

At this point the only viable counter (when playing as Advent yourself) is to spam bombers on the Guardians (or use Repulsion yourself). The other races have enough possible counters to Repulsion (look at page 2 of this thread, at Sage's reply).