No chance to execute this strategy. I was tested this. 180 corvettes cant destroy TEC SB with 3 lvl upgraded HP. All was wiped out.

About Vasari Rebel, they tech able to jump to other planets need rebalance, or give to other fraction new possibility to prevent that action giving new tech for Jump Inhibitor disabling for period of time possibility to jump on planet where Jump Inhibitor was built.

If light frigates hard countered corvettes than I think that early game balance would be fine.

As for rebels vs loyalists, only Advent and Vasari loyalists need buffs. For the TEC, the 2 seem equal.

Since the Orkulus was never originally designed to phase jump, it should take far longer to execute a jump than actual ships. Maybe 10x longer to jump into phase space? The upgrade should also probably be higher in the tech tree.

Corsev's damage tanking capacity needs a nerf and the Kol needs adaptive force field to be passive. If the Revelation's guidance ability increased weapon range and RoF and decreased ability cool downs for friendly cap ships, titans and SBs then it could be much more valuable. The Marauder's subversion ability should more effectively cripple production at the targeted enemy planet.

The Vorastra needs to have more survivability and its pulse wave cannons replaced with plasma wave cannons so that they can actually be upgraded. Spawning phase stabilisation nodes should take less time.

The Coronata needs more survivability. Also it's Unity Mass needs double the range (to match the Ragnorev's Snipe) and no cap as to how many friendly ships contribute to the damage output. AM cost and cool down would be changed accordingly. Subjugating Assault should only deplete AM when it converts an enemy ship.

If you play against the AI, these jumping starbases are hillarious. You don't need ships anymore.

Tried it last night while Diablo 3 was acting up, and it's just silly. The AI pretty consistently underestimates what it takes to deal with an Orkulus when the AI is trying to attack, and it just wiped itself out over and over again on any planet where I left one (with just 2 weapon and 2 hull upgrades, nothing fancy). If you start taking one around with you, you can do it without a fleet at all. The same 4 upgrade Starbase was a match for everything they could throw at it in planetary defense, and once I started sticking the other abilities on it (the frontal deflector for example) then you just send the Starbase in and maybe a couple of capital ships to bombard the planet.

Fleet ships? What are those? Starbases don't even take supply! If I hadn't felt like building the VRT just to see what its abilities do, I could beat multiple hard AIs with only 1 fleet supply upgrade (2 capitals and room for the migrators to build the starbases).  Now obviously that's less problematic then it being broken in MP too, but it's pretty damn funny just how absurdly broken it is in SP.

Corvettes still dominate early game for all races. Anti-SC frigates kill them but not without doing significant damage to your fleet before.

Loyalists are not OP just because going fully mobile isn't worth much. Besides a good player will target your capital ships and destroy them and if you went fully mobile you'll be hard pressed to replace them. Their titan is also weak especially if you went fully mobile making it pretty vunerable to attack. Also the ability to eat planets is a tier 6 with 3 pre-requisites. Not like the Rebels at tier 5 with a single tech upgrade and SBs at tier 2.

Why does everyone play vasari loyalist then?

The only skilled vasari players I've seen, besides, do not build corvettes at all.

the issues is lots of things can kill a SB from the well edge, like bombers. 

By the time you open a 4 upgrade orkulus, I can have a bunch of drones host. It's paper scissor, scout your opponent, if you see a rebel go strait for drone host or station killers combo.

I think the Orkulus should burn off modules in order to jump to planets without phase stabilizers. So basically, in order to do a jump, you automatically lose 3 module slots, making it so that you can only build 5 modules after a jump, and any Orkulus with more than 5 modules already built can't jump at all. There could also be an 8th level research that reduce the burn off to 2 and then 1.

this for the most part

the jumping star bases research should definitely be pushed into the higher tiers, im not sure what to think of changing it from a research  to a module at first i like the idea and thought is how that would implement it but idk

the corona definitely needs more tank and that cap lifted  from its units mass more range would not hurt. making subjugating assault not drain AM when it attacks capital ships would be very helpful, i read in some other thread about making the cornata into more of a carrier which i really like the idea of

If SB phase jumping research was tied to a module upgrade, then the best one would be the on-board phase stabiliser as it fits together well. If it had on-board phase stabilisation as a prerequisite than this should also help limit how quickly it can be gained. If the tech became a two stage research I would prefer if lvl 1 only allows jumps into friendly wells but researching 2 points allows jumps into neutral and enemy wells.

Making the Coronata more carrier like would definitely be a good move. Subjugating Assault should not just not drain AM when attacking cap ships, it should not drain AM at all unless the targeted ship is converted. Compressing the conversion chance of subjugating assault also sounds good.

Yes, basically yesterday used VL for the first time (I have always refrained) and I had full armour and missile upgrades, titan and half beam upgrades around minute 35-40. In rush situation VL wins with a certain ship combination which is uncounterable and thrashes corvettes, mid game it is able to carry out surgical attacks resulting in enemy planets being destroyed (for money) and later on it might go carriers/cruisers for added punch, whilst still being able to deploy orkulus in strategic places.

Considered that it was my first time with Vasari, I wiped the floor with one advent player, and held back the remnants plus another two guys (one was owll with VL) alone while my buddies won the game. Not really balanced.

Perhaps the VLT should have better effects on blink arrival location:

Effects last for 5/10/15/20 seconds

Faster speed and turning for the titan

AOE:

Disables enemy skills (at least frigates)

Slows enemy speed and turning

Well good news guys they have taken note of the Vasari Rebels Starbase OP-ness and it looks like they are doing something to it if you look in the beta 3 known issues thread.

Advent has always been really weak against Vasari.

Vasari destroys the Advent because phase missles don't care for shields which is the Advent's main form of defense.

TEC gives the Vasari trouble since they have heavy armor and hp which phase missles can't penetrate.

I agree completely with greg, in 45minutes I had maxxed out my capital ships and 75% of my total fleet supply, although this changes based on the available planets. This could be a problem as it will greatly influence how VL perform on different maps, in turn making them difficult to balance on the bigger, more planet heavy maps. I think the top payout needs to be reduced (by a fair bit, say to 12500 for a terran, and move the other planet types down to around 7500), and the bottom payout increased (by a small amount, perhaps to 4000) in order to keep VL more consistent across maps.

What about if you didn't have to always recolonize the planet after destruction too? This is simply annoying, I also think that the capital and miners should stay intact if the world is strip mined. I dont understand why I always have to colonize the planet twice in order to reconstruct the asteroid miners which really didnt have to be exploded. At the moment the loss of the capital really hurts, as it is another 2G to replace. This is unless i have the mechanics wrong with the fleet being the capital of course.

What do people think?

EDIT: OR we could even have the strip mine provide another steady income, say 3 to 4 times what the planet would usually produce (if fully upgraded) until the payout is reached. This could be justified because the resources obtained have to be processed first. This would reduce the massive OPness, and strip to the core could be received earlier in the tech tree (i dislike always being SB rushed first).