Reply #1 from Sins Forums Top

I don't have any replays but I got a bunch of tips and helpful hints for you that I posted to help another new person as well. Here it is:

Quoting Teun-A-Roonius, reply 11

Well here it goes: First off, colonizing the planets close to your homeworld is a good idea. You like to colonize up to six planets, and I approve. The only tip I can give you here is that you might want to skip on ice -and volcanic planets in order to quickly colonize asteroids, dwarf planets or terran / desert worlds that form a strategic choke point (where a lot of phase lanes lead to a single gravity well). You can colonize those later after you have set up some simple defenses (often two repair bays and a single Gauss turret will suffice in the early stages of the game) on the most critical choke points near you. Try to make sure the enemy cannot flank you easily; Prioritize. Also, immediately take all the neutral extractors (those in plasma storms and such) as soon as possible. They will give you a lot of extra income which you will need.

The best way to start (this is what I do in multilayer games, but it also works extremely well against the AI) is with one military and one civillian lab. After colonizing your first asteroid immediately build a civillian lab on it. Always upgrade your planets' civillian infrastructure to the point where you don't have to pay underdevelopment tax rates. Not further than that, though. Save your resources. The first two things you research (I am assuming you play TEC mostly, they are a good faction to train the basics with) are the metal income upgrades and corvettes. At the start of the game, build a colonizer capital ship and a few light frigates (A single colonizer frigate is also useful, it can take a single asteroid or planet on its own without military support. Ignore the militia present in the asteroids' gravity well, colonize it, jump out the frigate and build a single gauss turret right next to the planet to block off the enemy Krosov seige frigate. The Krosov will turn around but stay in range because the Ai is too dumb to move it far enough away from the turret, and it will be torn apart without you having to waste frigates and time on it, same goes for the remaining Cobalt). After that, spam corvettes and upgrade your fleet supply with the first level. NEVER BUILD MORE THAN 1 CAPITAL SHIP AT THE START OF A GAME. Really, those things are cannon fodder without a supporting fleet. Just build your second capital ship (and eventually maybe even a third one) once you got enough resources and aren't fighting off a wave of enemies. Build it only when your first capital ship reached a high enough level so that it is not hindered by the second capital ship, which will snitch experience points when present in the same gravity well as the first one.

Never upgrade a planets' defensive slots early in the game. Only do this when you have the resources to spare in the middle stages of the game. Raiding enemy asteroids and the like with a strike team of about 20 corvettes is always a good idea. Target constructors and factories first, try to cripple the enemies' economy. Don't waste your time on defensive structures, your main fleet can take those out.

Playing defensively is good, but don't exaggerate. Only build starbases when absolutely necessary since they soak up a lot of resources. Equip them with Big Red Button or Mass Disorientation if you don't play Vasari. Always keep a good balance between civillian and military labs. Favor military slightly when you are in a frontline position on the map. Always think twice before upgrading your maximum fleet capacity. More fleet -> more taxes -> less income. Do it when you need to overcome a fortified enemy world which you cannot bypass or cripple with your current fleet, for example.

Finally I got you some general tips:

  • Know your counters! use light frigates against flak, flak against corvettes and strike craft spam, long range frigates against light frigates and corvettes against light frigates and cruisers. Spam utility cruisers to beef up your fleet and help the lighter ships survive.
  • Never build a (Kol) battleship as first capital (a Dreadnaught or Corsev will do fine if you know how to handle them though). They should always be second cap or even third choice.
  • Only upgrade planet health when you need to delay the enemy fleet once you cannot possibly take back the planet with your current fleet.
  • Keep a few planetary bombardment frigates near your main fleet. use them to bomb a secondary planet that isn't defended to distract the enemy. Bomb while in battle as well. When the enemy loses an upgraded planet it hurts him a lot, even when you didn't manage to win the battle with your fleet.
  • Don't spend too many resources on research. Keeping all of your fleet supply in use is top priority. Research only the technologies that are most useful to you, skip those that don't instantly give you an edge.
  • Always scout a planet before you attack it. There might just be a giant fleet waiting for you out there! Corvettes are great scouts too.


I sincerely hope these tips will help you out in your future games of Sins Rebellion!

End of Teun-A-Roonius's quote
Remember that this was a response to another new player, so I answered his questions in this reply. Yet there are a lot of valuable tips in this quote. I suggest you read them carefully if you want to improve online.

Reply #2 from Sins Forums Top

thanks some good advice here I usually do all those things however I am strictly an advent player at the moment and I tend to open with two halcyon carriers hmm maybe I shouldn't?

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Reply #3 from Sins Forums Top

Opening with two Halcyons is fine.  I disagree with Teun's comment to 'NEVER' build more than 1 Cap ship at the start of the game.  Even more so in Rebellion compared to Diplomacy.

Quoting Teun-A-Roonius, reply 1
use... corvettes against light frigates and cruisers.
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The above comment is also wrong.  Use corvettes against long range frigates.  In 1.03, corvettes fill exactly the same role as fighters.  Otherwise, generally good advice, altho I would also question some of the comments about civic labs.

A replay would be much better than advice.

Reply #4 from Sins Forums Top

Quoting SageWon, reply 3
Opening with two Halcyons is fine.  I disagree with Teun's comment to 'NEVER' build more than 1 Cap ship at the start of the game.  Even more so in Rebellion compared to Diplomacy.


Quoting Teun-A-Roonius, reply 1use... corvettes against light frigates and cruisers.

The above comment is also wrong.  Use corvettes against long range frigates.  In 1.03, corvettes fill exactly the same role as fighters.  Otherwise, generally good advice, altho I would also question some of the comments about civic labs.

A replay would be much better than advice.
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Agreed with what you stated here. I made this review before the corvette nerf, when they were more effective at taking down light frigates. I wish I could record some multiplayer games but I'm affraid it would only cause more lag during the game...

Reply #5 from Sins Forums Top

Here's a replay from tonight with some good players (for the most part). One of our team ragequit within the first 20 min and their team popped a Titan out first 5 minutes later and one of our team lost his homeworld early on too but then things take a few twists. It's essentially over at the 45 minute mark or so but drags out another hour to the inexorable conclusion.  There's some nice micro by Aquia in doing a colonizer steal in one of the first engagements and of course plenty of smack talk from certain characters throughout. Maybe a fun watch for a while.

http://www.2shared.com/file/UQboUvuB/AutoRecord-07072051.html

Reply #6 from Sins Forums Top

Wow that was a really good game to watch only thing though that game serves to prove why most people do not play multi  I don't care how good you are at the game if you are going to be an ass you have no purpose being on there, the point of the game is to have fun and yeah its cool to win and you want to win but being a prick serves no purpose will def not be playing games with people like that, I have never seen a more immature attempt at trying to be cool and to troll no wonder multi is a decaying pool of garbage

Reply #7 from Sins Forums Top

Well, I wouldn't say that is representative of multi-player on the whole and sometimes players who have been playing for a long time know other players or have a history and trash talk like that is a little different. I'm not really sure which it is in this case - but you have to have a bit of a thicker skin and not take it seriously or let it get to you. It's nothing to do with Sins either - I've played lots of MP in other RTS and trash talk is, if anything, worse in most other RTS and MOBA games. I generally find most Sins players online to be decent and friendly. So don't let that factor put you off!

Reply #8 from Sins Forums Top

It just hit me the wrong way I guess, I was watching and enjoying it and when that started I was like wow wtf is this 1st grade?

Reply #9 from Sins Forums Top

Who were some of the people in that game?  Who they are would explain whether it was friendly bashing or legit being an asshat....

Reply #10 from Sins Forums Top

I don't kiss and tell - check out the replay yourself! :P

Reply #11 from Sins Forums Top

I don't have Sins on this computer...indulge me...

Reply #12 from Sins Forums Top

Aquia, Dwish, Radioactive/Nightraider, URSolar, Vizionary, HetzerRush, Yolan, RudeDawg, MaximumHigh, myself were the players. Some of them might go by other names as well, not really sure. Let's just say most of the banter was between two players. It was initially from pointing out one player should've supported another - it was totally true, just not said in a polite way. Quite different from just pure trash talk. It really isn't hard to figure out your role and what you should be doing on a team and it can be frustrating when allies are clueless. Like if you manage to fight off a 2v1 in the suicide spot and still lose because your teammates thought it would be a good idea to sim city for half an hour instead of attacking. In this case though, the ally wasn't the one doing the critiquing, it came from the opposite team lol.

Reply #13 from Sins Forums Top

Aquia, Dwish, and Radioactive know each other fairly well, but were also probably on TS so I'd be surprised if they needed to insult eachother via Sins chat...

That's a pretty stacked game, but it's missing some of the trolls that I'd really expect that behavior from....