somehow I knew I wasn't gonna be able to drop this...
Twilight_Storm - have you ever actually played on ICO with people before? Your comments show that you really have very little experience with RTS games and balance. By your logic, in chess, if I by Text-Enhance" href="#" in_rurl="http://i.trkjmp.com/click?v=VVM6MjU2MDQ6MTE3NjplbXBsb3k6MzZjOTMxNWYyYThmNjVmZWNjMDcyOGJmNGU3ZDk0Yjg6ei0xMjY5LTU3ODk0OmZvcnVtcy5zaW5zb2Zhc29sYXJlbXBpcmUuY29tOjE1MTgzOmltYWdlX29ubHk">employ any advanced strategies, I am "breaking" the game. Who are you to tell me how the game is "meant" to be played? Games have a life of their own and people develop their own strategies. This does not mean people are "breaking" the game so please stop using that ridiculous description. And stop talking about whose "fault" things are. That has nothing to do with anything. Balancing a game has nothing to do with anyone's "fault" - it's just a discussion as a game evolves over its lifespan and develops it's own meta-game. The devs are perfectly free to disagree of course but that shouldn't stop people from trying to point out balance issues. With most games like this, there is a continual dialogue between players and the developers over the course of the game. Of course, it does drop off after a few years and there is a final balance patch at some point but people want to at least try to influence the game for the better up until that point.
1) I've stated multiple times all over these forums that I do not play MP. Exploitation of a game mechanic really gets to me, to the point where I refuse to play online. The way MP has become scripted reduces the game to simple "x beats y" and completely ruins the expierience for me.
2) Chess is the absolute worst analogy you could use here. I already stated earlier that exploits do not exist in a game where both sides are identical. Chess cannot be broken. Strategy and exploitation of a game mechanic that was meant to add flavor and diversity are not the same thing.
3) Fault is exactly what why this entire discussion exists. It's not being said, but the implication of there being game-breaking balance issues is assigning fault to the game developer, even if its intent is not malicious or trollish. It comes down to someone thinking the devs made a mistake, which is assigning fault. Again, it's not wrong to point out a legitimate balance issue. I'm just asking that people ask themselves whether it really is a balance issue, or childish exploitation mascaraded as strategy.
4) I am not saying real balance issues should not be pointed out, I'm saying people should think before they look at the game and say "oh look, I can do this, that means I should".
I'm trying REALLY hard to see this from the MP point of view, and I do get part of why you all believe some of these changes need to be made to the game, most of which revolves around the fact that every thread I see regarding MP leads me to believe that 80% of the entire online "strategy" revolves around who can execute the same tactic everyone else uses the fastest.
I really can't put this any simpler and stay nice about it.
And I'm getting tired of people picking through my posts and half-quoting what I'm saying to make their point sound better.(Mostly directed at Seleuceia) For example, I have yet to see anyone post anything meaningful about why exploitation is the same as game balance. OR try to prove me wrong that MP revolves around everyone doing the same thing and hoping they have it done first. Yes, there are people who come up with their own strategies, and sometimes they work, but when a "strategy" calls for spam of anything, all I hear is "exploit this unit". All I've seen is people saying the same "your opinion is ridiculous, if we all think it's OP it must be true" variants over and over. No counter-arguments, no attempt to prove your side is right. I've explained multiple times, and again here, why I don't agree with all of the balance issues...
How about this? What are the TOP complaints the MP community has. Jumping Orkies of course being near the top, if not number 1. Let's just put it all out on the table and try to go from there. Be specific, don't just say "Ragnarov and Eradica are the best Titans" or whatever, say what the issue is directly.
And, one more time, I have never stated that actual criticism is a bad thing. People seem to think I have, even though I've posted the opposite multiple times.