Again, Seleuceia demonstrates his ability to quote only what is convenient...

I never said SP and MP were inherently opposite.  What the post as a whole was meant to point out, is that there is no reason the entire game should be changed just because the MP community is obsessed with grabbing hold of an aspect of the game and exploiting it to the point that they break it.  Every single balance issue that comes up is not necessarily the fault of the game developer.  This thread, and its predecessor, were posted to point that out.  Just because there is something you CAN do that is all-powerful-game-ending, doesn't automatically make it OP if it's obvious the game was never MEANT to be played that way.  At this point, it becomes the fault of the player, not the developer.

...It's becoming increasingly difficult not to start slinging insults at this particular topic, so I'm done here.

-Twi

somehow I knew I wasn't gonna be able to drop this...

1)  I've stated multiple times all over these forums that I do not play MP.  Exploitation of a game mechanic really gets to me, to the point where I refuse to play online.  The way MP has become scripted reduces the game to simple "x beats y" and completely ruins the expierience for me.

2)  Chess is the absolute worst analogy you could use here.  I already stated earlier that exploits do not exist in a game where both sides are identical.  Chess cannot be broken.  Strategy and exploitation of a game mechanic that was meant to add flavor and diversity are not the same thing.

3)  Fault is exactly what why this entire discussion exists.  It's not being said, but the implication of there being game-breaking balance issues is assigning fault to the game developer, even if its intent is not malicious or trollish.  It comes down to someone thinking the devs made a mistake, which is assigning fault.  Again, it's not wrong to point out a legitimate balance issue.  I'm just asking that people ask themselves whether it really is a balance issue, or childish exploitation mascaraded as strategy.

4)  I am not saying real balance issues should not be pointed out, I'm saying people should think before they look at the game and say "oh look, I can do this, that means I should". 

I'm trying REALLY hard to see this from the MP point of view, and I do get part of why you all believe some of these changes need to be made to the game, most of which revolves around the fact that every thread I see regarding MP leads me to believe that 80% of the entire online "strategy" revolves around who can execute the same tactic everyone else uses the fastest.

I really can't put this any simpler and stay nice about it. 

And I'm getting tired of people picking through my posts and half-quoting what I'm saying to make their point sound better.(Mostly directed at Seleuceia)  For example, I have yet to see anyone post anything meaningful about why exploitation is the same as game balance.  OR try to prove me wrong that MP revolves around everyone doing the same thing and hoping they have it done first.  Yes, there are people who come up with their own strategies, and sometimes they work, but when a "strategy" calls for spam of anything, all I hear is "exploit this unit".  All I've seen is people  saying the same "your opinion is ridiculous, if we all think it's OP it must be true" variants over and over.  No counter-arguments, no attempt to prove your side is right.  I've explained multiple times, and again here, why I don't agree with all of the balance issues...

How about this?  What are the TOP complaints the MP community has.  Jumping Orkies of course being near the top, if not number 1.  Let's just put it all out on the table and try to go from there.  Be specific, don't just say "Ragnarov and Eradica are the best Titans" or whatever, say what the issue is directly.

And, one more time, I have never stated that actual criticism is a bad thing.  People seem to think I have, even though I've posted the opposite multiple times.

-Twi

It's the nerf/buff mentality that I'm opposed to.  If a counter is needed, it could easily be implemented in a new tech without resorting to altering current abilities.  Sometimes nerfs and buffs are necessary in the early stages, and we're still technically in that stage with Rebellion, but this sort of thing has been going on from the start.  (at least, since I joined.)

I do not think the game needs to lose all the cool techs to be balanced, I think it mostly is, with the exception of a few minor tweaks to Titans, and a fix for Jumping Orkies.

And thank you for explaining why you disagree.

-Twi

The Sherman Antitrust Act was designed to combat monopolies and cartels...it turned out though that the legislation also made labor unions illegal, an effect that many supporters did not intend...while the legislation was intended to dismantle monopolies and cartels (ie what the devs wanted), in practice it was used to break up unions (ie what goes down in MP games on ICO)...

If one were to take Twi logic and apply it to this parallel, they'd end up saying something like this:

"Just because you CAN break up unions with anti-trust laws doesn't automatically make the laws flawed if it's obvious the law was never meant to be used that way."

That is completely non-sensical and makes for an absurd argument...certainly you are entitled to your opinions, but it is quite clear you know virtually nothing about MP play...my issue is not that you don't play MP...my issue is that you don't play MP yet continue to critique it like you understand it....and then that's compounded with Twi logic that makes no sense...

I've stated where I got my knowledge of MP, and nobody has even remotely attempted to try to tell me that information is wrong.

And since at this point Tohron and sareth are the only ones here who aren't coming off as trolling, I'm not even going to bother responding to what you seem to think is a relevant analogy.

-Twi