I'm faced up against a Vasari Loyalist friend in a game, and I'm in somewhat of a dillema here.
I play the TEC rebels and we're up for a fight soon. He uses massive capital fleets, supported by a titan (that's it no supporting fleet, hahaha, silly of him). I would rush him and smash out his capital ships, but unfortunately, he asks that I don't immediately rush him and to be fair (he's new relative to me) I'll usually oblige. This ends up putting me at the disadvantage in his eyes, but his lack of any supporting fleet says otherwise.
well first off you are putting yourself at a sizable disadvantage by banning early game pressure- The vasari have the strongest late game of any race and the TEC are the weakest late game race.
That said, him not building a supporting fleet is certainly in your favor
Anyway, I'm stumped about how I should go about destroying his cap fleet.
This is I'm thinking:
1. LRF+Carrier spam, along with Titan to long range knock out a cap or two to send him scuttling back with gardas and hoshis supporting the fleet.
LRF will be shredded by his titan, but carrier bomber-massing would do the job nicely. Just make sure to keep your carriers moving so they don't get titan'd to death. Super late game bringing a few cielos for designate target would help too- but don't bring too many, they are going to die no question and feed his titan exp.
Once his titan is level 6 things get trickier as the Vorstra's level 6 ability can instantly kill large numbers of frigates in a small area. At that stage it will benefit you to split your carriers in a few groups kiting in different directions. But even then things will eb difficult- your best bed is to down that titan before it reaches level 6.
2. Kodiak and hoshi pounding, with gardas to fight off whatever air support he has.
Depends how many skirantras he has. Kodiaks get torn to pieces by bombers and are only worth using if he doesn't have many bombers. The chances of this are higher then usual though being that he isn't buildign a supporting fleet- just try to scope out how many skirantras he's building.
Also incidentally, gardas wouldn't be a great idea- they counter fighters, not bombers,(and it's bombers that counter kodiaks). Not to mention late game flak frigates are titan food and don't tend to last very long. So your support would be better as carriers carrying fighters since fighters are the counter to bombers.
All in all though massing carriers carrying bombers is usually a safer bet though.
I'd also like to note if he were ANY faction OTHER THEN the vasari loyalists, corvettes would be a great option. Corvettes counter both titans and capitalships and are the best ships in the game for chasing down wounded capitalships. The reason they don't work so well for vasari loyalists is ebcause the Vorastra titan is the only titan in the game who's AoEs can actually hit corvettes.
That said, corvettes would still be an option if you're willing to constantly micromanage them in battle to keep them behind your fiend's titan, out of the brunt of it's AoE
3. Weak fleet w/ Titan + Lvl6 Akkan w/ Armistice (He'll do anything to kill my titan) to lure them to a heavily defended asteroid - this asteroid could either have a boatload of mines surrounding a starbase with PJI to keep the pounding on while he's retreating, or just mines and the BRB to knock his fleet.
Some things I'm worried about:
Building a titan would be a good idea in general. The ragnarov has better focusfire then any other titan, so it will be flying death to a capship/titan fleet.
Mines generally aren't worth using though and BRB is more of a frigate counter then a capship/titan counter, since titans & capships take 25% reduced ability damage and tend to have high shield mitigation when wounded.
Having an Akkan is always good though.
1. He'll have all of his research, which bothers me because the DPS (at least, from what I've heard) for the vasari increases greatly (except the titan). This also means he can phase across planets. The Dark Fleet's also somewhat bothering, but what I did see of it was disappointing, so I'm going to discount it now.
Honestly the research that increases DPS a ton for vasari is phase missile research- since he's not building frigates this mostly means how much he benefits from said research will depend primarily on how many squads of bombers(read: how many skirantras) he has.
If he has a bunch you're going to need some fighters to deal with them.
2. He's moved all of his labs onto his caps, which is good and bad. I intend to go around smashing out his trading ports with an Akkan w/ Armistice + 15-20+ Ogrov fleet (Hoshis, Gardas, maybe a Sova for protection) before the battle.
Are there any other strategies/tips/recommendations/comments you can give me? Thanks a ton!
You've got most of the main points in terms of composition. Have a ton of carriers, mostly fielding bombers, but also some fighters if he has lots of skirantras, build a titan. In terms of other frigates perhaps a couple cielos. While his titan is still low level you could also get away with having a contigent of hoshikos, but try to not get these killed as they will feed his titan.
In terms of capitalships you should probably start with an akkan- It's Ion Bolt will be a huge asset in preventing his wounded capitalships from retreating. Next I'd say grab A Dunov or 2- Capships are nothing without their antimatter, and titans are likewise greatly diminished. Having 2 Dunovs with maxed EMP blast constantly AoE AM-draining will take the fight out of his fleet pretty quick.
The Ragnarov titan's massive singletarget DPS & snipe will be a huge asset in focusing down the titan & capitalships & snipe will be strong for finishing runners.
In terms of focusfire, while the titan is still low level focus it first- you don't want it to grow and it should still go down pretty easy early on. Later on if it does level up much you may do better to focusfire easier to kill capitalships first.
Well those are all tips for your main fleet. Also remember to play TEC like TEC. As TEC you're fightign a war of attrition- don't get commit everything to a single battle against his main fleet: commit your mainfleet to the battle and then his his other borders with ogrovs while he's distracted. Build a novalith or two and bombard his eco worlds.
Uses steps like these and TEC's strong economy in general to ensure your economy stays superior to his, then do what the TEC does best: make trades- engage in a battle that costs you a few carriers and him a capitalship. If you play your cards right your superior economy will leave you better able to recover your loses then he is- especially since any capitalship he loses when rebuilt goes back to level 1.
In short, while his refusal to build frigates may make a single decisive victory very doable, fighting single decisive battles is much more to the vasari's strengths then the TEC's- The TEC prefers to buidl a superior economy then chip away at the opponent with attrition and trades until the enemy fleet is nolonger capable of putting up much of a fight.
Also if all else fails, once he's a bit more experienced lobby to allow early game action being that that is the main strength of the faction you play and his race is balanced around having a weak early game