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A new PUG rule

January 5, 2013 3:42:15 PM from Sins of a Solar Empire ForumsSins of a Solar Empire Forums

More often than not, I lose PUGs whenever I cap. So I've come up with what I think might be a fairer way to PUG if you have the same caps in consecutive games.

In odd number of games a number should be guessed and in even number of games we switch the cap with first choice.

e.g. in games 1,3,5... guess number. Games 2,4,6.... switch cap with first choice.

What do people think?

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Reply #1 January 5, 2013 8:56:37 PM
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I have no idea what you're actually suggesting or addressing.

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Reply #2 January 6, 2013 7:18:15 AM
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Quoting bilun,
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I have no idea what you're actually suggesting or addressing.

That probably means you don't play multiplayer.

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Reply #3 January 6, 2013 9:36:59 AM
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Quoting dvvdsfasfa,
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Quoting bilun, reply 1I have no idea what you're actually suggesting or addressing.

That probably means you don't play multiplayer.

 

Or that your explanation is flawed.

 

I think I can remotly understand where you are coming from..... but more details would certainly be helpfull.

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Reply #4 January 6, 2013 9:39:37 AM
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Player, who are you capping against?  I can also sympathize with this problem, but mainly because I all too often get asked to cap against someone much better than me...unless you are capping against auqia every time or something I can't imagine you have the same problem...

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Reply #5 January 6, 2013 12:05:19 PM
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All I'm saying is this.

If cap A gets the choice to pick or defer in game 1, then cap B should get this opportunity in the next game. This is assuming they both cap vs each other in the next game.

Isn't this fairer than relying on guessing numbers to determine who gets first/second pick all the time?

I can't explain it any clearer than this..

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Reply #6 January 6, 2013 12:18:16 PM
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Are you're talking about a string of games where you have roughly the same players?  The thought occurs to me that if this is the case, you could negotiate your terms ahead of time so it was understood the picking order would alternate.

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Reply #7 January 6, 2013 12:20:32 PM
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Quoting dvvdsfasfa,
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All I'm saying is this.
If cap A gets the choice to pick or defer in game 1, then cap B should get this opportunity in the next game. This is assuming they both cap vs each other in the next game.

I don't have a problem with this being a "PUG rule"...though, I generally try to avoid capping multiple times in a row....

I think the root of the problem is that certain skilled players play the "I never cap" card, which forces the same people to cap over and over again....

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Reply #8 January 6, 2013 12:24:30 PM
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Quoting Protoplazm,
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Are you're talking about a string of games where you have roughly the same players? The thought occurs to me that if this is the case, you could negotiate your terms ahead of time so it was understood the picking order would alternate.

Yes. This is another way to put it. The players in each game do not have to be the same, only the caps.

Of course, like Seleucia says, it's not mandatory to always be a cap either. So if the caps aren't the same in the next game, then this can constitute a new 'string' of games where the new pair of caps alternate who gets to pick or defer.

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Reply #9 January 6, 2013 12:57:06 PM
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I agree, it doesn't seem to make sense to "send numbers" each time we start another game if the captains remain the same.  I also postulate that the reason you lose when you capt (or me), is that the lobby is filled with uneven levels of players and you are ending up with fewer skilled players than the other team.  At least, that's my excuse for losing so often lately.

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Reply #10 January 6, 2013 1:07:49 PM
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Capting is always difficult. I don't think certain rules will make it easier to balance out games, as evaluation of a room always depends upon the guys who are captains. So when you feel afterwards you should have picked different people, it is still your own fault as a captain, basically. Also like How said, rooms are never completely balanced.

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Reply #11 January 6, 2013 1:22:36 PM
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Quoting Teun-A-Roonius,
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rooms are never completely balanced

Unless a passworded game is hosted, the player pool in a room is not in your control.

But in terms of picking teams, giving equal opportunity to a given pair of caps is within your control. Guessing numbers is like calling a coin toss. There's always a 50% chance that you'll lose (or greater if players 'fix' numbers). On the other hand simply alternating who gets first choice is quicker and 100% fair imo.

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Reply #12 January 6, 2013 6:17:33 PM
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Quoting dvvdsfasfa,
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On the other hand simply alternating who gets first choice is quicker and 100% fair imo.
Fair point.

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(Insert Trollpost here)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

UR GETTIN' MUGGED, KID!

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(Insert Trollpost here)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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You see, Brony, asshatting does not work if you are a tryhard

it'll just make sure that...

 

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Reply #16 March 5, 2013 9:29:17 AM
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Please Moo, for all of us, please get a job that prevents your use of the internet. 

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Reply #17 March 5, 2013 10:59:19 AM
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Please Moo, for all of us, please get a job that prevents your use of the internet. 

 

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Reply #19 March 5, 2013 9:42:31 PM
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Reply #20 March 5, 2013 10:00:34 PM
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Reply #21 March 6, 2013 3:12:12 AM
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Quoting Seleuceia,
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Make a 2nd account and have that one give you a karma point...

 

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