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Why don't people use cruisers much?

February 7, 2013 5:46:15 AM from Sins of a Solar Empire ForumsSins of a Solar Empire Forums

I'm fairly new to SOASE, but in the games I've watched and played, I hardly ever see cruisers used.  Mostly, it's frigates, esp. corvettes, capital ships, and titans.  Are cruisers that bad/inefficient that no-one wants to use them?  Or are they used a lot and I've just been unlucky in not seeing people use them?

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Reply #1 February 7, 2013 6:33:08 AM
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Several problems with cruisers:

First, they require 5 labs....that's a pretty hefty investment for a frontliner (the labs, the logistic slots, the tier 5 tech)...you certainly can't rush HCs unless you have early feed or are next to a noob....you can still try to get them early, but problem is that diverting resources into HCs probably is going to leave you too vulnerable for too long (feed can change this somewhat)...

By the time most frontliners could safely get HCs, others players are likely going to be breaking out the units that counter HCs, such as bombers or hoshikos....

Even if you are getting feed, HCs are slow to build (per fleet supply basis)...Illums and Kanraks or LFs in general build much faster per fleet supply and thus allow you to reinforce battles more effectively....

The most common time you'll see HCs is if an eco player starts fleeting to assist a frontline....

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Reply #2 February 7, 2013 7:23:10 AM
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Does this mean they need to be adjusted to be more viable?  Or is it just a matter of strategic preference?

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Reply #3 February 7, 2013 7:51:17 AM
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Quoting Seleuceia,
reply 1
The most common time you'll see HCs is if an eco player starts fleeting to assist a frontline.... when you are next to KoK
Fixed that for you.

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Reply #4 February 7, 2013 5:42:32 PM
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Thank you Teun....English isn't my best language, and google translate doesn't always work so well...

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Reply #5 February 7, 2013 7:29:35 PM
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cruisers

Okay, what exactly do you mean by cruisers? The other guys are assuming you mean heavy cruisers. They have the big problem that they are the hardest ship to get but are countered hard by bombers, which are extremely common late game.

If you just mean cruisers in general, then carrier and support cruisers are used a lot, especially in multiplayer. They do take a lot more fleet supply though so of course in raw numbers they won't be as abundant.

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Reply #6 February 8, 2013 8:52:24 AM
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The main problem with the heavy cruiser is that there are just a few to many things that hard counter them:

 

  • Carriers with bombers
  • Starbase
  • Titan

 

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Reply #7 February 8, 2013 1:39:21 PM
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Quoting ARESIV,
reply 7
Carriers with bombers
Starbase
Titan

Well technically starbases (minus Vasari) do entire capitalship damage (I think), which actually isn't that good versus HCs. I mean the best way to deal with starbases is to outrange them but purely damage wise I wouldn't say they are a hard counter.

Likewise, HCs are the least bad frigate to use against AoE abilities, since in this case you want few units with a lot of health, though in practice they are only slightly better than LRFs. Except with Maw, as it is an instant kill of course. 

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Reply #8 March 3, 2013 10:42:03 PM
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Well, You could use Fighters and Guardians if you're advent,

but otherwise, it'll always seem like

 

 

UR GETTIN MUGGED, KID!

 

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Reply #9 March 4, 2013 5:13:34 AM
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Who dafuq gave this guy access to the forums? Like we needed this...

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Reply #10 March 4, 2013 8:11:14 AM
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Cruisers are frowned upon in some circles. 

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Reply #11 March 4, 2013 11:39:04 PM
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Quoting Teun-A-Roonius,
reply 9

Who dafuq gave this guy access to the forums? Like we needed this...

It's almost like Human-Lenin is back again. I mean, all of the old asshats and trolls from the Dark Ages a few months ago are definitely gone and definitely don't make any more stupid/derpy/pony/wetahtahd posts anymore. 

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Reply #12 March 5, 2013 1:42:30 AM
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gave me permission of course, as I am the long exiled obertroll,

Human Lenin

back to the point.

the ratio of the diameter to the circumference is 

 

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Reply #13 March 5, 2013 8:53:38 AM
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You left out a few digits.

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Reply #14 March 5, 2013 1:12:21 PM
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Sadly yes, but it is more than most people know.

 

the answer to the question is that cruisers are very expensive, even more so than brony's bling

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Reply #15 March 5, 2013 6:27:11 PM
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Quoting FFoG_Ocean_City,
reply 14

Sadly yes, but it is more than most people know.

 

the answer to the question is that cruisers are very expensive, even more so than brony's bling

Dammit, where's Mecha when you need him. We need his wit to slap this newfag into place.

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Reply #16 March 5, 2013 7:23:20 PM
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The quality of trolling these days has sadly plummeted....

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Reply #17 March 5, 2013 9:36:45 PM
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You are all trolls here, right?

can you teach me how to troll?
 

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Reply #18 March 5, 2013 9:55:15 PM
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ocean city as been reported for spamming forums..

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Reply #19 March 5, 2013 9:57:36 PM
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Now that's no way to greet a prospective troll...

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Reply #20 March 6, 2013 12:40:25 AM
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Quoting Seleuceia,
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Now that's no way to greet a prospective troll...

 

spam trolling is considered betrayal to all troll ethics. Betrayal begets blood.

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Reply #21 March 6, 2013 7:23:04 PM
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It is an accurate portrayal of PI to the 900,000th digit or so

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Reply #22 March 6, 2013 9:45:03 PM
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Quoting MooMugger,
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It is an accurate portrayal of PI to the 900,000th digit or so

 

Betrayal begets blood

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Reply #23 March 8, 2013 6:15:55 PM
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What betrayal? I see no betrayal! What is this betrayal you have been spewing forth about? LIES

 

There was no Betrayal... This never happened....

*whistles nonchalantly*

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Reply #24 April 1, 2013 4:55:13 PM
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Back on topic...

 

Heavy Cruisers require a significant investment to field and on top of that are countered by the same things as cap ships meaning that all your opponent needs to build are bombers and flak frigates. The best use for them is team games where each player doesn't have to worry about rounding out their fleet capabilities. In this case a player with no fleet upkeep research can still field a pretty significant force in the form of a capship and some heavy cruisers while funneling their extra resources towards their allies or into superweapons.

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Reply #25 April 1, 2013 11:30:35 PM
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Quoting MooMugger,
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There was no Betrayal... This never happened....
*whistles nonchalantly*

you trolled pi moo.. you trolled Pi! Betrayal! That kind trolling is a path to the dark-side and is frowned upon by all trolls...

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