You did it again Parrottmath

Perhaps if you make the injury give a negative value to combat value autoresolve will always kill the henchman so the result will be the same

Yeah, it was exactly what you idea was... I've been playing with it for awhile now and the idea of the autocast works, but I've been trying to get the unit to use it with the autoresolve and been unable to do so.

I've copied noble legacy spell and bloodline attributes so it should cast even with autoresolve. Right now it is not working.

Ideally I would like give this autocast ability to the henchmen at unit creation, but I don't want to take away a trait slot for them. We are caped at 4 traits and adding another trait causes other problems. I've got more tricks to try, but at the moment this is working and set up with still punishment with autoresolve (gives normal champion injuries) the first injury though is the permanent death (always).

I suppose that the problem is that AI vs AI uses autoresolve and then IA henchmen don't die.

What about unlocking an strategic spell called "Kill Henchman" or something like that and encourage the AI to cast it? Would it work?

I understand. Yes, bugs need to be solved. I agree with you.

There are a few tags I need to add to make it completely compatible. I am using special unit tags (that I don't think you have in your collection of units).

I never thought about the AI stacking up on wounded Henchmen. I suppose that I should fix it so the AI will kill the Henchmen when they are injured. Simply add a strategic spell to the henchmen that allows them to cast to kill themselves I put that up later though.

Yeah not sure how this might be possible?  I tried casting a strategic spell on them that applies <Attribute>PermanentDeath</Attribute> but it doesn't kill them (until they get killed in tactical battle next).

I've been thinking about it reading these threads though... whilst this mod is a pretty clever workaround.... I think HF makes a good point in that (unfortunately) I think this would be a bit tough on the AI.  For one thing... the champion loses any gear they were carrying... so whilst a human player would be smart enough to offloads all the magical gear from a champion they know will die next battle... the AI would not be, so will lose that gear.

Maybe not a huge drama but for me personally I'm trying to avoid making things any harder for the AI to figure out that they already are.  It' s shame there's not just seperate tags for <Permadeath> <UsesEquip> and <CanQuest>.  

Getting the AI to cast a spell isn't the problem.... the problem is, what/how to make a spell (GameModifier) that kills a champion on the strategic map?  

BTW i'm curious about your food upkeep but i'll post another thread so as not derail this one further.

No the problem is, how to you actually kill the bugger if the <IsChampion> flag is set....?

I think getting them to cast a spell would be achievable, you could probably even just have the permadeath injury unlock a strategic level spel  using UnlockCombatAbilityl that can only be cast on "self" has a high priority and no casting cost.

But assuming that can be done, I can't see a way to actually kill a champion outright via a strategic spell.  They're immortal.  The only way I can see they can be killed is with that PermanentDeath modifier but that only applies after tactical combat.  

Now this is an excellent question.

I have no idea what the answer is but i'm curious if anyone else knows this.  In fact i'm wondering if the AI *ever* disbands units?  I'm guessing probably not.

Hmm good one.... didn't think about that one because I don't use it (I like my champions and tend not to kill them off as a habit! )

Had a look at that spell.... I see it uses a <Attribute>PermanentDeath</Attribute> GameModifier.    Which doesn't kill them (rather seems to sop them resurrecting if they are killed).   However it's also got the <Attribute>StealSpirit</Attribute> modifier.    Did a quick test and added the StealSpirit to my "KillChampion" test spell and sure enough it kills the bugger dead.   

Only thing is... you don't want some random champ or the sov to pick up a bonus spell trait from killing them of.

I'm thinking it would be possible to make this work by having the Champ cast it on themselves.  Make the "kill spell" a spell with target Self, that only the guys you have the "permadeath" injury can cast.  Pretty sure that would work actually... too late to test now, will give it a go when I get the chance.

Yeah I thought about doing that.  Probably a few ways to go about it but you could probably just duplicate the henchmen units, add a <IsAIOnlyUnit>1</IsAIOnlyUnit> tag and reverse your BG_IsChampion and BG_IsNonChampion tags.  Would need to stop the AI from training the non-AI henchmen though... somehow.  Will sleep on that one

So wait a second, if you just make it that all Henchmen automatically have a trait that has the PermanentDeath game modifier they won't be able to resurrect at the city in that if you just made it a base trait that all Henchmen get.

You can actually circumvent this by making a set of trained abilities that only work with the henchmen model you made before, but then you have to restrict the rest of the trained unit abilities to non henchmen, which is of course a lot of work for a solution to whether someone dies permanently instead of just having a <retreats>1</retreats> function.  If its a 0 they retreat if its a 1 they die if they fall in combat.

And if someone designs a henchmen with no abilities?

Also, are you suggesting that <retreats>1</retreats> is an actual tag for champions that cause permanent death? Or is this just a hypothetical tag?