do you even know the best way to raise diplomacy? 

Sorry guys, but I have to agree with sulley1.  I said it during the beta and I'm saying it again.  The AI is way too aggressive and difficult right now.  Especially for their respective levels.  Also as I said during the beta, I often teach new gamers how to play Sins.  I've now been forced to teach new players how to play in Trinity, because Rebellion as it stands right now is just too hard for newcomers to learn the game.  You guys can claim all you want that you like it harder, but you have to remember that you've been playing for much longer.  You probably know this game inside and out.  Hell, I've been playing since the Beta of the original Sins.  Noobs don't, and for people who've never played Sins before, it's a lot of info to try to take in.

Here's an example.  I just had a friend of mine a little over a week ago where I was just teaching him the very basics.  Because of the state of Rebellions AI, I made him play Trinity first.  I paused the game at the very beginning to go over the basics, important notes (such as the all important fleet supply note... you know the one I'm talking about), basic tactics, basic situational tactics, pirates, research and how to understand and plan them out, diplomacy etc.  It took me almost 2 hours to explain the basics of the game while answering any questions he had.  2 hours, and that was for Trinity.  Now think about how many things changed in Rebellion and how much you need to know now.  Then we played for about 4 hours before he died.  He did really well for his first time ever playing, but there were a few mistakes that ended up hurting him in the end.

Bear in mind something about this guy I'm talking about, he's a big time grand strategy fan.  Big in games like Civ V, Total War and many others.  He's not new to strategy games and he's damn good at them.  But he is new to Sins.  Yes, he lost in his first attempt at Trinity, but imagine what would happen to him in Rebellion.  The AI in Rebellion is several shades harder than Trinity right now and much more aggressive even on the lower difficulties.  How do you expect new gamers to get in to Sins when the AI in Rebellion is so hard and aggressive right now, new players don't even get a chance to learn (let alone experiment) before getting hit by the constant AI onslaught.  Only thing he/she can hope to do is see how long they can survive before inevitably being killed.

I got lucky last week where the guy I was teaching this time had Trinity as well as Rebellion because he bought them both while they were on sale.  The guy I was teaching last month, only had Rebellion.  Thankfully last weeks noob is still playing and planning to move up to Rebellion.  The guy I taught last month hasn't played since dieing 6 games in a row on normal where he had won several before the beta.  And now that what was in the beta has become permanent, he refuses to play until the AI becomes more manageable so he can learn the game.

So you veterans can claim all you like, that you like the harder AI.  I disagree because the new AI is alienating new players.  And I'm talking as someone actually trying to teach these guys how to play.  I haven't been killed yet, but then again, I'm a veteran.  I know this game inside and out like many of you.  These guys don't.  We have harder difficulty levels to scratch our itch for challenge like Unfair, Cruel and Vicious.  New players are currently just getting brutalized on the lower difficulties.  It's unfair to them.  This is a community (And there are some amazing members in it who regularly help other players such as Yarlin, GeoFan77, Timmaigh, Seleuceia,Turchany and many others), not an elitist fanboy club (shudder at the thought).  Just because you can do it, doesn't mean everyone else can.  You have to remember that you are a Sins veterans.  You have your years of experience to fall back on.  They don't have that experience yet, but they're trying to get it.  As it stands, the AI difficulty levels need serious re-balancing.

one question, do you use the advanced tips found on these forums on how to be somewhat effective? if you incorporate some of those tips into gameplay you will get much better, trust me i tried, worked well Noone says it is obligatory to copy them, I've never done this (I want to play, not that strategy forum...), I just thought about why they said this, and that, tried it out, and realized these are good tips to be way more efficient and not waste huge amount of resources.

Teaching new players? thats kind of you but, uhm, maybe you haven't found, but.. there are easier levels than hard.. Maybe... Normal? Or easy? or sandbox? Hard may be very difficult for new players, but it is supposed to be this way.. Hard is not called "hard" to be easily defeated... Or show them some nice tips on these forums, it improved my playstyle ONE WHOLE LEVEL (i guess for complete new players the result would be much higher, if they actually understand why to do things like that), before reading those tips I was struggling with hard AI's (of course before 1.5), and after those nice tips I could stand against unfair. Even online I wasn't a real noob in my first games, many thought I was a smurf because I could play well because of those strategy tips.

play team game, like 2v2 on random medium (or random medium large to have more space), build a starbase on your frontline world, and basically you cannot fail from that moment. Or select a map where there is only 1-2 chokepoint, grab it fast, fortify it, and you will be safe.

Well you seem to make a really old mistake, even I do it very often you should ALWAYS SCOUT. Not joking, always. You should always know what your enemy has, and try to keep up with his fleet, if you see he has 2 stripes of fleet and no other fleet, and you have 4 stripes, you can concentrate on building trade ports, building more defense on your chokepoint worlds, fortifying your starbase, upgrading population to max if needed, research some nice stuff. This way no big surprises can happen to you, like a full late game AI fleet from nowhere

If you see enemy has much higher fleet, prepare for defense, get starbase asap, get repairs next to it, upgrade weapons and hull on it, and build fleet yourself, and focus on hard counters, like if he has 50 light frigates, you should have 50 long range, and so on.

If you build a titan after 1 hour and manage to defend frontline worlds you cannot fail most titans can handle smaller fleets, their AoE attacks are strong and AI never focuses on them to bring them down.

if you keep tracking enemy fleet size it shouldn't be a problem (or just build ships on your own until you see you are the first one, the game shows it, then you can slow down do other things like economy), just build ships that are actually useful and have a decent economy (longest trade chain, many trade ports, improved extraction rate and population). If normal is causing problems I seriously recommend reading some nice tips on these forums like the asteroid with only a colony ship, what to do early game to get good economy fast, what ships to build against what, etc.

OK, lol, thats fine, but you know they die in 10 minutes or so. You need to periodically build them back, like 10 minutes time, and send them to see how's your enemy doing TEC scouts can plant long time sensors and thats awesome, Advent revelation capital ship can see planets (though the ship is terrible, weak attack weak abilities), Vasari, well, they suck in exploration, but in every field they are awesome, so.. good compensation. Advent scouts can see the planet for minutes where they died, and thats some nice stuff too.

yes, it would be good, the difference between AI difficulty levels is too high, not fitting player skill development, it's like hey, I can easily beat normal AI, now let's try against a one that has 2x more income than normal, or 4x... players can only develop time after time, and not huge jumps like I am twice better than I was yesterday..

So players who can always defeat one level AI (say, normal, or hard), will not always be capable to stand against the harder AI's, because the difference is so big (but lol there are so many difficulty levels, yet so big jumps, strange)

I dont mean to offense anyone but if you cannot handle

hard 

AIs, dont play against them.

I honestly think, that the issue here is not so much the AIs income, but that fact that is has become considerable smarter recently.

I dont understand several things here:

1. You state that you are capable of holding your own in the game. And yet after FOUR hours of gameplay, you are incapable of helping your friends? I am sorry and I really dont mean any offense, but maybe you arent that far away from their skill level.
2.  For the topic of forming an alliance with the TEC AI: The TEC Rebels are bloodthirsty xenophobes on a roaring rampage of revenge against all aliens.... they maybe might form an alliance with the TEC Loyalists (Weaklings! ) but an alliance with Advent or Vasari is basically out of the question for them. Or would you ally with somebody who keeps saying that he want to see you dying, preferably in a slow and painful way?
   
   
   It is possible to form an alliance with them.... but the only - reasonable - way to achieve this with an AI, who unlike a human TEC Rebel Player will not order his ships to cease fire when interested is to find its largest enemy at the moment and then beat the living shit out of it.
   
   If you kill enough of their enemies, they in time will like you....
   
   But is is a slow process and if you need allies quickly, they are an terrible choice, unless you are TEC yourself.

Sigh... maybe this topic is true after all.... https://forums.sinsofasolarempire.com/445653/page/1/#3371972

Seriously... if you are brand new to a game you never played before.... you choose easy as an AI..... so that you can learn without being steamrolled within minutes.

Learning a new game, even one in a genre you played for years, WILL ALWAYS result in yourself getting your ass handed.

Now, if it was easy AI who gave you difficulty we maybe could speak about nerfing it.

But hard?

After all the - great - work they put into it?

No way!

BTW, similar meaning to "hard"

tough

severe

rigorous

harsh

stern

bitter

rigorously

toughly

grim

sternly

dour

punishing

You dont defeat a severe bitter grim punishing AI with nothing, nor should you.

If easy is to easy for you, consider adding multiple AIs that team up against you. Same for normal.

I also want to point out, that there a lot of games where the difference between the AI settings is much more severe. For example Earth 2150,.... the first level was boring, the second one was a slight challenge in early game.... but the third level was murderous throughout the entire game.

I remember a LAN game, when it took 3 friends of mine to just CONTAIN the AI.... not speaking about defeating it, mind you.

Only with the combined strenght of 4 vs 1 and 2 hours of bloody battle we managed to defeat it.

AIs become better as development marches on.... with them being smarter they dont require insane amounts of cheating anymore to become a threat to the average player.

I really have trouble understanding those complaints..... nobody is demanding from you that you play on hard.

You should be grateful that the AI did become better.... making it smarter is one hell of a job.

If you survived Hard before 1.5, you should certainly be capable of surviving Normal now. 

If you dont survive normal, you only survived hard before because the AI was making dumb mistakes.

Not that it doesnt do that anymore.... but it has become notable smarter....

And if you cannot handle normal..... you go down to easy.

Whats so difficult about that?

What is so difficult about accepting simple fact, that Normal can be easy for someone, while Hard way too hard? Clearly people want to be challenged, if they did not, they would not complain about Hard being hard and would just play Normal, as its easy.

And the whole synonyme to Hard thing. Dont be ridiculous. What are the synonymes to Cruel or Vicious then? And how are they even relevant to anyone´s perception of the difficulty? It is just semantics. Hard can be hard even after "nerf", just less hard than before.

And actually, why such a strong opposition against change to this? Cause you feel Hard is a sweetspot for you now? But they could just move that sweetspot to unfair and nothing would change for you, basically. Unlike for quite a lot of people.

EDIT: And yeah, i partially agree with you. The AI is indeed smarter now. Cause it can put that handsome income advantage it has to a good use now. Thats why it feels harder than before despite the bonus ratios were kept at their original values in the end (apparently).

Get better at the game or lower the difficulty.

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I read your gameplay description in the other thread - how you fought Vasari Loyalist AI. Nobody asks to remove this new new implemented "intelligence" and make AI dumb again. How did you came to that conclusion? Personally i merely suggested to decrease somewhat the income bonus the AI gets. That has nothing to do with AI being smart or not, but could help lot of players, who have problems to beat the hard AI, tremendously. 

If you read the OP, the complaint was about AI firing its superweapons, when he is just on tech level 4. Again, that has fuck all to do with AI being smart, it is down to AI having money to burn and being programmed to go for superweapons. Thats why it can field them so soon. 

@Darksxx, Apheirox - congratulations to your lack of emphatic skills.

Oh Sulley, I do pity you boy, I truly do...