For any of you that haven't read up on some of the season 6 planned changes, one of them is to have dynamic queues for ranked.  Meaning, you can even have a total of 5 pals in what was originally ranked solo/duo queue.  To this, someone responded over on reddit:

https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/3rgb7x/hots_had_dynamic_queue_and_everyone_hated_it/

A few good points here - specifically there being a big potential problem for people going it alone and the potential abuse at the hands of 4 man premades.  For instance, if the 4 man is on voice chat, then they are less likely to communicate with their solo teammate.  Group mentality abuse (you are the solo guy and now an entire group of twats is dumping on you for X reason).  Making the game more fun is cool.  Making the game more fun for people that abuse others is less so.  Maybe rito would combat this with a higher feedback rating for folks group with a 4 man pre.  

If I'm completely honest, I still think solo/duo queue should become SOLO queue.  Let that queue indicate how you stack up vs other individual players.  Put that together with the new champ select process where you pick 2 roles and I think we have a really good system for measuring individual skill.  

I also think grouping as 5 will just skew MMing like it does in normals. Play 1 game with PDT in a normal.  Now imagine what happens in ranked... he's gold after all.  

Anyway, I'll roll w/ whatever rito decides to do, but I personally think this is a bad idea and think that if they are going this route, they should limit premades to no more than 3 so they don't have ff control automatically.  And if they are going this route, I wish they'd create two queues - 1 for SOLO queue, 1 for OMGFBBQ queue.  

Oh and the new champ select is now live on PBE.

Get good team that plows the opponents, group with whole team, steamroll all day?

Mid and support are my choices with top being a close third.

yeah, but I'm more thinking a lets see how this plays out.  Also, if there isn't notification, how do we know something was done.  Its def a bad feeling to know 4 people have reported you.   That happens even a few times and its a pretty huge turn off to going it solo.

DO IT.

Yes, please.  This would be completely awesome.  Wipe the queues.  Make everyone that needs to ride coattails earn their shit.  I've played enough solo games and I'm more than confident I easily fit in Plat.  I don't really lump myself in with the needs to duo to get there party even if you want to lump me in there. If you are feeling like that of yourself, then prove it to yourself and do it solo!  Meant a lot to me personally do earn my elo and so I did.  Pretty damn sure I'd make it back to plat playing 100% solo though.  For me, the real challenge would be putting in the time and work to see how high I could go in plat and if I could actually hit Diamond.  I really don't feel like I need to prove shit to show I earned plat as a solo player though.  

All that said, I'm obviously really passionate about having a true solo queue - even more so if its true solo queue with folks getting to play their main role 90% of the time.  I'd like to be able to say at some point that I am a diamond support.  That doesn't mean I'm a diamond mid, ofc.  Or a diamond jack of all trades.  My real end game would be to rate people by role and then by champion in that role.  That's kind of crazy thinking, tbh, but that's the type of crap I care about.  Who is the best regulus in DG?  Who is the best spirit Oak?  Etc.  I just think TRUE solo queue gets us closer to stats like that instead of some horseshit 4 peeps queue up in ranked and carry this shit support up.  Or imagine a karls that hits diamond. You probably don't want him to ADC, but having him jungle is great.  He's not a D level adc.  That's where the rating system fails.  I just think it could be alot better and this is a silly step completely in the opposite direction.  

Realistically, I don't think they can create the 2 queues.  For instance, consider pacovs magical world where there is a SINGLE SOLO queue and a OMFBBQ anything else queue.  You have a 4 man premade.  Would a solo person choose to queue up for that "dynamic queue" instead of going and playing solo queue?  If he only choose solo queue, the what must the queue times be like in the dynamic queue where 4 man pre's are waiting for 1 guy to show up.  It could work, but if it was a SOLO queue and a max of 3 peeps queue in the OMGFBBQ queue.

Oh and new meta - cow top poppy, pacov mid donger.  GG (forget about mord)

Heh - next name change will be social pacov with strong opinions about true ranked solo queue - I hear you can use up to 100 characters in season 6.  Jokes aside, I've always been kind of weird in how I socialize.  I talk too much and too often in some settings and more often than not would actually rather not play with anyone for a bit (remember my whole offline mode thing from awhile back - I didn't figure that out to socialize )  

Anyway, the ranked thing is just a personal thing that I've always been on about.  I like to feel like i earned whatever in ranked.  For instance, if I earned plat last season in solo queue without Herculean effort, I don't really care if I duo or not to get the same stupid standing from season to season.  Personally, duo queueing to plat (eg if I never made it there solo) would mean less to me.  Same logic would apply for me personally if I made it gold via our ranked 5's team.  I'm alot more interested in my solo performance if I'm really making an effort.  And again, even more specific in that I'm a plat support and possibly a plat jungler, but not a plat mid/top.  I think that would be the best sort of ranked match making - where I'm up against something that is not only plat, but is plat in the role they are playing.  BUT - rito don't really care, so if they go through with this change, then I'll either have to adjust my pov or decide not to give a fug.  I'm not really looking down on you if you duo'd a bunch, though.  I think this queue idea is a bad one, though.  Could be everything goes swell and folks just get used to it despite initial smeh feelings.  

I had the same reservations you did when I first heard about it but am now drinking Dr. Lyte's Koolaid.

http://www.surrenderat20.net/2015/11/red-post-collection-warding-you-ranked.html#more

Here's one of the quotes that helped turn around my perspective:  "We upgraded the matchmaking system to pair similar group comps together. It is possible that it might be harder to rank up in a premade group than as a solo because you'll be consistently exposed to crazier, and more competitive strategies."

There is quite a bit of dopeness to consider with the new system.  More teamwork in Ranked games and such, less bullshit that poor Karl ran into when he made his last minute run for Plat.  Maybe.  We'll see.

But think about it this way: Solo Purist Pacov and Teamwork Makes The Dreamwork Thunder both play Ranked next season, you with only going in solo and while try and play with as many friends as possible each game.

For arguments sake let's say having a Dynamic Ranked group of 3-5 is a huge advantage over being Solo.  Well... they're going to try very hard to match my premade against another premade of equal skill and size so where's the advantage I get if they manage to pull that off?

You'll be in 1/4 groups or 1/1/1/1/1 or 1/1/3 or whatever against the exact same composition so where is the disadvantage?  Why is going Solo harder than having a premade five man team in this scenario?

This of course all hinges on Riot's goal of having Matchmaking place Dynamic teams go against other teams of the same size '95%' of the time.  If that doesn't work out, then having lots of good friends will be a big advantage in Ranked.

Re:  Adjusting MMR based on specific roles

No.

Current Teambuilder Matchmaking is absolutely horrendous and any attempt to borrow from it's handicapping system would be a very bad idea.  If you want to play Mid in Ranked, get good at Mid in Normals.  Getting beat by better players is the way to get good at a role, specially Mid or Top.  The new system will be in place so you'll get to practice the role most times that you queue up for a Normal Draft game.

The point of ranked in League of Legends is to win League of Legends games.

The point of the rankings system is to measure (eventually) how effective people are at winning League of Legends games.

The fact that some people do it differently (different roles, champions) is not relevant.

That's all that matters - winning and losing.  Trying to prove other esoteric points is just silliness.  I mean, when I watch Faker do well with Ryze mid which helps SKT win, I don't think "This Faker guy is really good at mid Ryze, but what I really need to know how good his jungle Shyvanna is".  Nobody cares if Faker's jungle Shyvanna is better than Hai's.  What we care is that Faker is a better overall player and SKT is a better overall team.

Its a statistical argument.

Let's say that you are the 1 in a 1+4 vs 1+4.  If your 4 is not well coordinated (a bunch of people who don't play a lot together) and theirs is (they play a lot together), your chances of losing are very high regardless of individual skill.  Since your chances of being on the well coordinated side of this is 50%, this drags your winrate toward 50% (assuming it was above 50%).

Essentially a 4 has a much larger say on the game than a 1+1+1+1 if they always match up 4+1 vs another 4+1.

If its 1+1+1+1+1 v 1+1+1+1+1 you don't have this effect.

Also, being the jungler when the other people are all in the same group and you aren't is generally not fun.  Its blame the jungler to the nth power.

That's exactly the point.  Which one you get as the odd person out is random.  Sometimes you get a 4some that is well organized and its good.  Sometimes you get a 4some that is crap, but you are now forced to play against a 4some that is organized, so your chances of winning are zilch.  And since I'm pretty sure that 4>1+1+1+1, this makes the entire process more random.

So how about that ohm wrecker zz portal top taric?

How would your system of Ranked Elo by role work?  Dropping people down in MMR when playing off roles/champs wouldn't be fun and would be subject to a lot of abuse.

I think they have a good way to measure champion skill right now.  It's called the Krazikarl System.  It involves winning games. 

Truly outrageous!

I'm glad you could find a way to carry with an unpopular champion.  Almost like you found... a hidden gem in Taric Top.  A... diamond in the rough if you will.

That would be one of the main issues.  I've watched Cowsep carry a game hard in high level Korean Solo Queue as Support Master Yi.  He certainly didn't need to have to play against worse players to make it fair.  Mechanics and overall understanding of this games fundamentals are a bigger deal than you might imagine they are.  Most of us just see good players as good players and don't really need to categorize them or ourselves when it comes to skill at  playing different roles.

And there would be abuse and just too many things to try and adjust.  When IreliaCarriesU goes Irelia Mid for the first time, does he go against a Bronze, Silver, Gold, Plat, Diamond, Master, or just lower ranked Challenger Mid player?  For how many games?

And howabout all the people like Karl and you who complain about being in an MMR with bad players who fail to follow up and play well as a team?  Wouldn't putting them at a lower MMR with 'goomba' teammates hurt their chances more than help some games?

And... Ranked is for playing what you know.  If you want to learn a new role, there will be Normal Draft games with the exact setup as Ranked.  Hell, they're even modifying the new system for Blind Pick so you can get the role you want to play.

Don't get me wrong, it would be kinda cool to have rewards for getting to a tier playing different roles.  I'm all about unlocking achievements in games, though nowhere near as passionate about it as you are.

I just don't think it would be worth all the problems and possible abuse issues that I brought up.  That you didn't address or offer solutions for.  It just wouldn't be worth all the downsides to me.

And I don't think it would be that hard.  I think you could easily get to Plat as whatever main you wanted to put a little time into.  Cow is Diamond because he's an awesome player much more than he's an awesome Mid/Brand player IMO.  I'd say that knowing how to play a specific role is a relatively small percentage of a player's overall skill.  You seem to think it's much larger and needs to be celebrated.  That's the thing we probably disagree on if anything.