Admin Jafo - 10/1/2003 4:02:07 PM OK....thanks, guys......now if someone can use a 'human translator' ...

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neophil78....I'm asking a simple request for a simple result in order to help the 'community'. What are you doing to help?

Admin Jafo - 10/2/2003 8:07:34 AM neophil78....I'm asking a simple request for a simple result in order to help the 'community'. What are you doing to help?

see #16 and #18 ... i think it's me and no one else who contact the webmaster of this site ...

but don't worry i'll try to inform him of what you think ... Maybe you might also think that's as i'm not a native english speaking, it's not completly easy to do ...

Here it is ...

Julien, thankyou for your response. The problem with posting an artist's work publicly first and then giving them the opportunity to subsequently request their removal is flawed by the fact that the permission to display the work is required BEFORE it is displayed, not after.Your site should be set up for artists to submit their work and in so doing are consenting to its display. Then, provided the work is in fact theirs to submit you will have no problems with your graphics sections.The best procedure for you to follow is to remove all the walls currently displayed, check for any which have proper consent with them and only display those that do. You can then seek other artists of interest to you and invite them to present their works on your site as well.

may become somthing like that : (not a ltteral translation, but a "human one"

"Julien, merci de votre réponse.
La question de la diffusion publique du travail d'un artiste en première intention, puis de de lui laisser la possibilité par la suite de demander son retrait est vicié par le fait que la permission d'affichage du travail est à demander AVANT et non après sa diffusion.

Votre site devrait être conçu pour que les artistes puissent soumettre leur travail et de ce fait consentir à leur diffusion. Ainsi, le fait de mettre à disposition leur travail serait de leur responsabilité et vous n'auriez aucun problème avec votre section de graphiques.

La meilleure solution pour vous est de supprimer tous les fonds d'écrans actuellement présentés, de demander à leurs auteurs respectifs leur autorisation de diffusion et afficher uniquement le travail de ceux qui auront répondu favorablement. Vous pourrez ainsi chercher à intéresser d'autres artistes et les inciter à venir présenter leurs oeuvres sur votre site"

that's only 19 € 95, and you can pay by CB ...

Well, anyway and after having consulting this website i think the guy is not a ripper at all : for each wall, there's a tooltip (mouseover on the pics) wich indicates name of Author and Website ... it's not the same thing that if he had said that he did these wallpapers himself ... in a kind of matter it's like when once is posting here a sceenshot mentionning who are the artists who did the different parts of it. Are screenshots uploaders rippers ???

It's my point of view ...
[Message Edited]

If he didn't include permission from the artist, it's a rip.

Chef Garry - 10/2/2003 1:37:40 PM If he didn't include permission from the artist, it's a rip.

When i upload a screenshot, i'm not asking before to the differents artists if i can do it ... but if you check my screenshots you'll see i always try to mention who did what ...

I always wondered about that myself...I would think that any 'Public' display of any authors work would require permission

Maybe Jafo will pop in and clarify

Screenshots are considered 'fair-use'...provided the wall is sufficiently obscured by proggies, etc to prevent clear access to the wall enabling its re-use as a wall from the shot. Several screenshots are rejected for this reason...

So Jafo...I have been wanting to up a new WB but have not been able to get ahold of Nuvem for permission to use in the Screenshot.

I wanted to use his 'Untitled 1'...So are you saying I can use it without permission?

I would never want to disrespect him in anyway...or any other Author for that matter...or in his case 'Artist'

Yes...you can 'use' it...in the sense of showing that you have it on your desktop...without Helder's permission.....provided you 'deface' it by partial obscuring.

It is simple etiquette to credit the authors of what you display, but not compulsory....

Ok...Thanks

I will definitely credit him and provide a direct link for users to download it.

There will be a few windows covering it...so it should be ok.

An example of 'good practise' when using another's wallpaper...in this case it's me using Misery's [Deaddreamer's] 'Nijikon Fetchi' wall [though in this case I had 'inclusion' permission for the LiteSTEP theme]....

Ok...Now what about Icons?

They are completely 'visible' yet there are never permission slips used for Icons in any type of screenshot

Ah...well I just stick with LiteSTEP...and it doesn't 'need' icons....as in the shot in #38....any icon visible...eg in the tray are all standard proggy icons....

No, icon use could be considered a problem....but it's virtually impossible to police/control.  The only saving grace is that extracting an icon from a screenshot is technically not the same as cropping out the taskbar to resize a clean wallpaper.

An unobscured wallpaper is a simple thing to replicate/extract, whereas an image of an icon in a screenshot is not really the icon itself being distributed...certainly not permutations/sizes/colour depths, etc...

Gotcha...Thank you kind sir

permutations

you are good, mate!!!

bonjour à tous,
l'ensemble des wallpapers viennent d'etre supprimés de mon site comme vous m'en avez fait la suggestion, je vous l'ai dit mon but n'était pas de vous poser le moindre problémes! J'espère ne pas vous avoir trop ennuyer, toutefois si quelqu'un est intérréssé pour exposer ces wallpapers où autres choses je me ferais un plaisir de pouvoir diffuser. A bientôt peut etre et encore désolé.
julien

http://www.winboost.org
[email protected]

translation of the message#43
i'm sorry but i use a translator!

hello everybody,

as you me made the suggestion of it, the whole of the wallpapers have been just removed of my web site. I said it to you my wish was not to pose least the problems to you!
hope not to have too much to annoy to you, however if somebody is interested to expose these wallpapers where other things I would have a pleasure of being able to diffuse. A soon can be and still sorry.
julien

http://www.winboost.org
[email protected]

Oooooooouuups i think a traductor will be needed here ...

Citizen jul_ho3 - 10/2/2003 4:19:09 PM bonjour à tous,l'ensemble des wallpapers viennent d'etre supprimés de mon site comme vous m'en avez fait la suggestion, je vous l'ai dit mon but n'était pas de vous poser le moindre problémes! J'espère ne pas vous avoir trop ennuyer, toutefois si quelqu'un est intérréssé pour exposer ces wallpapers où autres choses je me ferais un plaisir de pouvoir diffuser. A bientôt peut etre et encore désolé.

"Hi to everyone,
The whole wallpapers have been deleted from my website as you suggest me, i've told you, i didn't want to bring you in any kind of trouble! I hope that i did not hurt you too much, though if anyone wants to put on display his wallpaper or other things, it will be with pleasure i'll bring them on my website. See you perhaps and again sorry of inconvenients."


Ccoooollll another 19 € 95 in my pocket ....

two traductions in less than one minute !!!! That's a good job !!!

He as removed all of the wall from his site. This guy is a good buddy of mine and he didn't know about all of this. Now he does. So, in his behalf, he's very sorry of what this as cause and will try his best to have permissions before offering free walls to download.

julien...on behalf of all the wall artists here and elsewhere, thankyou for your prompt response and I am sure that many wall artists will be happy to have your site display their work when approached.

Again, I/we commend your good intentions....