No such thing as "true" privacy when it comes to being online. You can only do so much. But every company you do business with or interact with has dirt on you. Welcome to the information age. 

Firstly, IMHO, the position Jafo holds here deserves a little respect. We have bumped heads a few times over the years, but I respect what he does here.

Secondly, He is, after all, an observer by trade, so he observes quite well.  

As for an OS he has never used, what is so different with 11 than 10, other than cosmetics?  Windows is pretty much Windows, just getting a few tweaks here and there. We have always had to TRY to defend our privacy from MS, that isn't new. Maybe I'm not so versed in delving and all that, but 11 serves me well, and I even like it's looks.  To each his own, I guess.

I'm rambling.  My main reason for posting here was/is to say that Jafo isn't the bad guy here, and he doesn't flame peeps.  He is, however, The Man in the forums.  He can snap his fingers and send folks to The Void (Loki reference). 

People with no experience and respect don't get that power.      Ok, I'm done.  Flame me as you wish.

Oh, and have a nice day!

I was a moderator on a skinning site once, so I know it is sometimes hard not to step on someone's toes.  It is what it is.

Thanks, Phoenix ....that's how I see it too...

Because there are public references to whether my conduct within this thread is appropriate or not I'll publicly post salient bullet points.

1. #31 "Wow you really are entrenched in your belief"

That can only be interpreted as a put-down, where said 'belief' is asinine.

2. #33 "No need to paint me as an opinionated fool...I'm just looking at realities."

My Response.

3. Site Administrators receive a complaint that I am trolling on the basis of that single response.  I'm aware of that as I am [one of] the site administrator/s.

4. I take it upon myself to concede I could have worded it more directly, and simply move on.

5. I am asked what I do not like about Win 10.

6. my response 'the price' is interpreted by someone new to the site that I was unaware it was free.

7. I state clearly a 'newbie' to the site might think they know more than others, and would be misguided, as the phrase 'the price' referred to the issue that nothing is ever really 'free', not that I was unaware you could get it freely [I do have 5 systems currently running 10].

8. A user takes umbrage claiming I have a low opinion of users.  To a small extent that is true when they make incorrect assumptions without checking further first.  It's bad practice.

9. Someone I enjoy locking horns with springs to my defense  [means I must be doing something wrong]...

10. #81 ....yes, it's one reason I'm here on this thread.  We simply move Politics/Religion/etc to their own forum section where sensitive souls can avoid them [though sadly I still need to police them...and it's often unnerving to spend time there with extremists].

I've been site Administrator here for nigh on 20 years and am the longest-serving actively doing it.  Frogboy's responsibilities are naturally elsewhere, and others have retired or moved on.

By and large it is a very safe/friendly corner of the Internet [though people who have been here 15 years or more might recall otherwise]...

That's about it.

Again, moving on,  Terry's system is virginal and still has failing updates, but if it gets to the right version of 10 I'll put 11 on it and compare "first hand" just how less bad it might be than 10..... and how more effective it's coded to eventually lock everyone into the 'new' MS business model, something that 10 must have been found lacking.....otherwise there would be no need for an '11'...

Jafo - I do think that at the end temperatures were a little high so I don't blame that response from naroon1 either.

But, I also think we are good here. It was just a friendly debate, there is nothing wrong with a little bit of passion mixed in. That and we did find out..... 

....that clearly Windows 11 is better then Windows 7. I am glad that is now settled 😜

Jafo I was going to come home tonight from work and tell the newbie how it is. As far as I know,. you have been doing this longer then many of us, even longer then us old timers. I would think you would know the ins and outs of Windows and a few other operating systems better then most. Glad to see it all got sorted before I got home.

Jafo,  It is generous of you to call your own opinion asinine, some will share that and others may not, but hey if we all thought the same the world would be very boring.

Again no one but yourself painted you to be an opinionated fool, words you chose not mine. Again i am fully aware of who and what you are here, having never met you before, i take peeps how i find them and move forward based on said findings. I am also fully aware any complaints will land on your desktop and rightly or wrongly reported back to all in the topic, at least i know how things work here in this forum.

Also good to hear to some extent, you do have a low opinion of this forums users, regardless of your reasons, many things can be deemed bad practice, but one forums way of doing things is not another's and as we probably all have at least some experience of forums ways, that is something we decide on a forum by forum basis.

I have no affiliation to any member who in the past, "you have locked Horns with" and for whatever there reasons, jumps to your Defence, so to me that is a mute point and nothing to do with me.

The word "Newbie" has been used more than once by more than yourself. Based on you listing in your reply how long you have been doing this, i too have been a member for over a Decade, post counts can be deceptive as we can have members who are long time users but only post when it is something they are either interested in or have a Valued input about a subject, that is why i have been more active in this topic as i am a Win 11 user since day one, also being someone with first hand knowledge about this OS, my opinion is based on working with this OS 7 days a week for 8 Hours in a work environment and several more each day at my site and also experimenting with privacy settings of which this topic is about. I have responded to your comments because, when i first read them, i thought you may have been a similar Win 11 user with similar knowledge of this OS, and it's always good to share what has been learned.(yes i know you have Win 10 experience even though Win 7 is your thing) but was very surprised to learn , you have no hands on time with this OS, but may in a future point, that did explain a few things to me and i then understood we were not on the same page. I was reporting back my learning curve with Win 11 and you were reporting back what you have read, what others have told you, and what you understood to be similar to Win 10.

I do agree with you about this corner of the Internet, as a Soldier both man and boy with 7 Combat Tours under my belt, this is mostly a friendly place with the usual issues of peeps behind keyboards etc...    Seen lots of places were things you could not imagine go on each day and are never reported in the media, so yes as a Ten Year member i can not comment on what when on 15 years ago, but believe me i have seen a lot of good and bad.

I personally love a good debate and welcome Informed experience on lots of topics and things, using what i have learned and delivered with Good Manners.

That was my right to reply, and now i too move on.

The cables arrived but realised if i want to make my rig all i want it to be, i will need several more components as desktop PC insides can be filled quickly with a Huge Graphics card. This can leave no space for other components that use the PCIex1 slots right under the fans of the GPU. So by the end of next week i will be able to Run 4 SSDs, Blu-ray Writers and have the space to add 2 more Sata III Ports.

I should be able with just a re boot, to experiment more with Win 11 all settings on several drives and still be able to have my Win 10 with WB10 working and the Win 11 OS using Explorerpatcher so i can further experiment with with Windowblinds 10, and can continue to Beta Test Themes updated to work with Win 11 systems without worrying or messing about with my Daily Win 11 Drive.

Totally agree, i do think Win 11 will be adopted in a similar way to Win 10, without working for one of those corporations, i did think something very similar in the way those corporate machines are configured. In the UK it is done in a similar way, IT departments will Configure those machines based on the needs of the Business, Win 7 and 10 were no different, all had privacy issues to some extent , Well Said.

I agree with 93 and 94. Windows 11 trajectory looks very close with Windows 7 and 10 so far. Its adoption rate is steady, although still at about 10 percent. That actually is not bad since it is in its early life. I remember when Windows 7 came out we were in a very similar situation, there were a lot of people that did not want to move away from Windows XP as they swore by it as the better operating system. I bet there was a forum somewhere that looked pretty identical to us debating 7 vs 10 or 10 vs 11...

I do not see 11 being another Windows Vista or even Windows 8. Those two never took off from an adoption rate point. I think it is more close to another windows 10 then anything else which is not a bad thing.

Adoption rate of windows 8 was at about 2.5 percent after 3 months. Where as Windows 11 is at 8.9 percent in the first 3 months. That is more in line with what we saw with Windows 10 not Windows 8.

Windows 10 also had an adjustment period where not all things worked properly on release as is the case with Windows 11. It is fair to state both were a bit of Beta's as of their debut.

I can not say I have the same amount of optimism for the Windows Store. I buried its function in Windows 8, I buried it again in Windows 10, and I find myself burying it some more in Windows 11 minus some random curiosity as to whether it is now good or not. So far, it is still not pulling me in.

The Microsoft Store and a powerful PC just seem like an odd couple. There are just too many phone resembling apps that have the look of a misfit on a pc. I am not sure if I am in the majority of Windows 11 users or not. Microsoft is making its strongest push yet and I do know there has been some excitement in regards to using android apps on a pc. I haven't really complained about this though because it is always a good thing when the PC can do more. But, I do not really see myself using them.  I do understand the store ecosystem allows apps that would otherwise not exist to come into existence, but the apps still do not feel right to me. I still find myself using more traditional apps the same I have been since I started using a PC.

It is very possible, in my view, the windows store never will really catch on the same way as a google store or amazon app store have.