Because the TEC used to be just traders, they're trade ports = uber income.

tec get resources at a percentage of 20% of what all empires purchased and 15% of what all empires traded.

You get +8 logic spots per planet so you can build 2 more logics building (IE 2 more mil, 2 more civ, 2 more trade ports, 2 more ore refineries.)
It's too good frankly and should just be +4 IMO, but whatever.
Advent has a similar tech to get +4 tactical but.. yeah.. that's far from as useful, not worth researching.

LOL

As much as you're trying to show your superiority by flat out saying the most imbalanced tech "sucks", you cannot be any more wrong on some of your points.

Clearly you have been playing with/against noobs and haven't seen how devastating a properly executed RA rush can be, even on single star maps. This is doubly true when your opponents need to beat through your teammates before they can get to you. The Vasari ultimate tech is indeed Dark Armada. Once someone gets it going, it's GG.

Well executed LRM spam isn't really counterable except for more lrm spam from the opposing side. OR you can get flak ships/carriers and hope your opponent is an idiot.

When LRM spam is done properly, it's impossible for advent to beat. Disciples are obviously a bad choice. Seekers, carriers, and defense vessels kill too slowly and LRM's can just bypass them and kill your cap ship/structures, forcing you to stay on the defensive. SMART lrm users will kill cap ships, then frig factory/research stations. They won't engage in a pointless battle with those other "supposedly lrm-counter" ships. You've probably experienced success by using flak to counter lrms. This is because the people you played against actually tried to kill your flak with their lrms instead of using them to kill specific targets.

In short, LRM's deal too much damage and nothing kills them fast enough for an equivalent cost. Further more, all the ships that are decent against LRM's suck versus pretty much any other target, whereas LRM's are great at killing light frigs, cap ships, turrets, etc etc.

I will agree that illums suck.

RA is extremely effective in ffa and probably too good, whereby most players will not risk devoting a small fleet (what you can get in the first 40-50 minutes) to eliminating a whole empire on one front and leaving all their other fronts completely open.

example
4 ffa, 2 players are vasari, 2 are not and a medium map. most players get 5-6 planets.
In this game even if 3 of the people all make a secret pact to take one vasari down, by time his down the other vasari could be close to getting RA (he didnt commit to really taking out the other vasari) and should be smart enough in knowing that his gonna be backstabbed first. If its an ffa whereby everyone plays nicely and no secret pacts..etc then usually none of the players will take a massive risk of leaving 2 of their 3 fronts open( most maps are like that for 4 ffa) to do a full on empire wiping attack in the first portion of the game and thus eventually (can be under 55 minutes with only 4 planets) one of the vasari will get to RA.

Theres many other factors, but in ffa, it can even depend on how well you smurf and get others to fight amongst themselves which buys you time delaying a significant strike.

Uhh why is +8 civ only good against the CPU? It allows you to build more trade ports/ore refineries, or frigate factories, on your best defended planets
I have a feelign you don't really understand what it does, like most people.


Keep telling yourself that. Enjoy never becoming a good player.

If you'd like to play some time, sounds good. My name is PrinceOfTheUniverse and I'm on about every night.

I've beaten countless people that just trying to these "OMG UNBEATABLE STRATEGIES" I guess people have heard about here on the forums or seen online. That's not how you play the game.


These last responses are sad. It's what I expected, people are so ignorant. You guys need to try playing against someone with 75+ games with these "omg unbeatable strategies".
But it's like I said, you're not going to become better if you realise how stupid those strategies are. If you don't understand why they fail, I'm sorry for you. I won't explain why they're bad, learn that on your own.

I'm not even going to comment on how stupid what you said about flaks needing to do more than 100% damage to LRM's to counter them is. Figure that out for yourself. I can explain but people will stay ignorant I'm sure.

innociv must be the village idiot.

"_______ sucks" no that's just you kiddo.

Don't colonize new planets? Stall your economy... right.
Because 50000 credits does a lot of good with under 100 crystal and metal...

Your thread reeks of disdain. Learn how to play instead of getting raged and telling people that everything sucks.

The tone of Innociv's speech does sound like the thread only exists to attract attention and flames. He could have criticized Returning Armada, long-range frigates, colonization, carriers, heavy cruisers, and shield mitigation in a more intelligent manner(apart from a bunch of 'that sucks' one-liners), but it is true that spamming of any one type of unit is not much of a strategy.



The concept behind LRM spam is not in the same context as your idea of spending those resources in linear research. LRM spam is an early-game tactic to harass the enemy, stunt their progress, and make them invest resources in niche counters to stop your blitzkrieg. Another thing is that techno-turtling is vulnerable to tech rushes by your opponent and harassment against you(resources invested in research = weaker defensive fleet), and the TEC's advanced warships are kind of lousy in comparison with their Advent/Vasari counterparts.

You haven't played enough if you think flaks are only good against lrms and fighters.

Even against light frigs, which counter them they do alright.
Why? Because for almost the same cost they have double the hp/shields/armor and quadrupple the DPS.

Comparing armor and damage types alone isn't enough. All the units don't cost 400/50/25 with 1k hull, 500 shields, and 5 dps.

Killing lrms with flak doesn't leave you with unnessisary useless ships afterwards. It leaves you with ships that are a bitch to kill, and do decent enough damage ( 25% of 20dps is still 5 dps, the same dps a light frig does at 100%).

My point is there is no uber fleet combo. The best fleet/strategy is one that plays to your enemies weaknesses. How you play should depend on what the other person is doing, not what some list on a forum says or what one person used against you one game. That should go without saying, that's how it is in almost everyone RTS game, but nope "omg mass lrms is unstoppables nerf ironclad plz or i uninstalls!111".
Paint_it_Black is the first person to finally get this.
I had hoped people would reply in agreement and shed their insight on the matter, but it took what.. 17 posts for someone that understood how to play to post?


I win games because I constantly scout and see what my enemy is building both building and ship wise, hide my ships, and make what will steamroll him.

Oh and to clearify, by planets I meant PLANETS, not asteroids. I didn't think anyone would confuse that.


Oh and to the people that think I just play against AI, no. I've never played a single single player game or one with AI players online. I've only done multiplayer. I've already given you guys my ICO name.

Okay. Who is an RA rush expert and wants to play then?

I probably have the strongest RA build.

Jinx and I will play you and a teammate of your choice, 2v2, online, tonight. Are you game?

If all guns on your flak ships are firing, your opponent isn't microing _at all_. When fighting against flaks, he should not spread out his fleet so that your flaks can shoot from all sides. Furthermore, light frigs are anti heavy. Thus, they deal ~13 dps (in the case of squirmishers, if my memory of their damage is correct). The final nail against flaks vs light frigs is that they can't effectively focus fire. They're just spraying all over the place so it's not super hard to micro units that are low on health and get them to safety.