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you came from nothing. you're going back to nothing.

what have you lost ? ... NOTHING ;) aka "tao of cranky old woman"

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May 15, 2004 2:08:01 AM from JoeUser ForumsJoeUser Forums
you already have the condition that will someday kill you.

i know that because you are alive.

and if you weren’t ...you couldn’t die, right ?.

a lot of people, especially as they begin to age, ponder upon what it is they will die “of”.

but the answer is quite simple: you will die of being alive.

sound a bit basic and simplistic ? ...

... GOOD ... because IT IS.

death and dying are things we fear like a sniper, fight like an enemy and face like a coward.

they are things that pluck us, unready and unwilling from our earthly “paradise” into well ... nothing ?. or maybe something. who can say.

who can care ? ...

in the words of monty python: “you came from nothing. you’re going back to nothing. so, what have you lost ? .... nothing !”.

so, our ties to "matter" are just the physical results of what we did while we were here, and our physical bodies are just the "container" for who we are.

no big news there

and, like any container than ages, and thus becomes unsuitable for it’s task, our “human” forms must eventually release the soul within back to whence it came.

for recycling ? ... for damnation ? ... for harps and choirs ? ...

that part is up to you. whatever carries your spirit through this world will be borne by it as it changes. you have choices. but you must both live AND die, for neither really means very much without the eternal shadow of the other.

do not live your life in fear of death, though neither be incautious with the gift of life you have been given ... a long and wasted life of safety can’t be weighed against a short, bright one ... the scales could never measure the difference of the true “weight” of the souls they each contained.

if you fear not. if you judge not. you should never need to run from what is coming “for” you.

the human notion of “consequence” can have us fooled into thinking we “caused” all manner of events that in other circumstances would mean we believe ourselves omnipotent. why do otherwise rational people beat themselves up over things that they can’t even hope of controlling ?.

fact is, the shadow of our death follows from the moment of our birth. death is, and always will be, the only thing that can define what “life” is. the transition between life and death brings about the most challenging belief situations that any mortal can face.

so face them. before you HAVE to. look ahead. you’re going to die. we all are. we will not be spared, any of us, but we will be peaceful until then if we can let go and just “be”.
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Reply #1 May 15, 2004 8:12:18 AM
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yikes. youve been reading my mind? i'd been hoping for something painless, instant and hopefully calamitous enough to destroy my chat histories and bookmarks but i recently had an epiphany. the odds against a missle payloaded with morphine syrettes crashing thru my window have to be greater than my winning the lottery. in the unlikely event it did happen, id probably be on vacation..

i recently read about some research on aging that focuses on fish and turtles. some species do not seem to experience catabolism as we do so they dont really deteriorate although they eventually come to some sort of conclusion. sadly its far too late for me to switch species now.
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Reply #2 May 15, 2004 8:18:15 AM
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Death may be hard to face, but old age is harder. However, old age has its advantages. I'm just not telling what they are.
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Reply #3 May 15, 2004 9:58:18 AM
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"Health: The slowest possible rate at which you can die."

Mig, why the reflective mood? First the "Friday 5" about what we would do if dying, now this? I hope there's not something you're not telling us, is there?
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Reply #4 May 15, 2004 10:52:56 AM
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kingbee, petal ... if you came from nothing, then you shouldn't have anything to "clear", right ? ... as for the species switch, well, look on the bright side ... turtles and fish can't blog on ju. (or get hit by queenbee for having pervy things on your net history)

sherye, lol, you're hardly ancient ... i can't see any signs of us losing you just yet

smartaz, the reflective mood just attacked me from nowhere !!!. don't you HATE that !. and yes, there are LOTS of things i'm not telling you. but news of my imminent demise is not one of them. thanks for asking, though. i have to say you had my mood spot on with that statement.

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Reply #5 May 15, 2004 3:29:22 PM
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When you told me you were going to write this article, I had no idea where it was going to go.   Looks like you decided to focus on one thing, and do it well.  

However I think Sherye missed the point entirely....the point is that death is NOT hard to face.  

 

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Reply #6 May 15, 2004 4:53:03 PM
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What GREAT words.
with that kind of thinking I would stand gaurd by your door to keep all the noise out!! Borderline gen-eeeee-ouuuuusssss.
My applause to you.
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Reply #7 May 15, 2004 5:08:19 PM
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Great article mig, I wanted to quote several things you said but there are so many that I liked. There are always 2 sides to things such as life or death, good and evil, without one the other cannot exist, it is an eternal balance. Our anticipation of death is unique to human beings, since we can foresee it we tend to stress and fret over it our whole lives. It poses the question; shall one live their life embracing desires and possibly shortening the length of their life, or forever remain afraid and try avoiding death as much as possible by living a "safe" life? Quality vs. quantity. Now I'm lost in thought...
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Reply #8 May 15, 2004 5:38:43 PM
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I think you've touched on something that many do take for granted. In our society death is viewed almost as "unnatural" when death is just as "natural" as birth if we think realistically. Yet how many of us will end up being hooked up to machines to breathe, feed, and live for us, and how many times will we put our dying bodies and our loved one's through such procedures before we allow a "natural" death.

Maybe I took this too far as I think it could border on the Euthanasia debate, but that's just where the topic tugs at me.

Nice article,
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Reply #9 May 16, 2004 1:06:58 AM
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jeremy, i appreciate your willingness to be assaulted by my ideas almost as much as you do mine. you know that

illusivedreamer, that's such a kind thing to say that i would feel awful saying anything except for this: "i'm so glad that i struck a little chord in you, it makes me pleased that i did put this into words".

psychx, i want to see your blog on "quality versus quantity" as soon as you get time. that's a very important aspect of who you "are" overall on earth, i'd enjoy your opinions on that.

and suspeckted, yours is another sub-point that i hope you will consider turning into a blog ?. because i agree with you ... what does constitute "life" exactly ? at what cost "living" ?

sorry for the long "blah", but this subject is so very important to me. thanks everyone who commented

"happy mig"

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Reply #10 May 16, 2004 7:01:23 AM
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hmm... that's a good idea for a blog. Quality versus quantity would be interesting to write about. I think I will give it a shot, mig thanks for the idea I was still thinking about what I should write about next and that would be great...
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Reply #11 May 16, 2004 8:35:34 AM
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Well in the quality of life vs. quantity, my current article is about mediocrity....Shameless plug I know, (couldn't help it) but I think you might enjoy it.
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Reply #12 May 17, 2004 7:27:26 AM
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psychx ... i am holding my breath for your article - no presure

and suspeckted, i excuse your "plug" on account of it's relevance !. i'll check it out.

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Reply #13 May 17, 2004 2:08:01 PM
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I already started writing it but I had to break it down into sections such as time, worship, love/sex, finances, etc... It's proving to be somewhat of a challenge but I hope to finish it today...
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Reply #14 May 17, 2004 6:23:53 PM
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You are truly one with with the force Mig!

He who lives out his days, has had a long life

BAM!!!
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Reply #15 May 18, 2004 11:13:19 AM
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psychx ... i just looked ... lol ... i bet you fell asleep

muggaz, petal, what can i say ... still crazy after all these years ?

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