Make it 1950 Gold, 600 Metal, and 450 Crystal. And about 25 logistic points and it wouldn't be so bad. Also give them Autocannon Turrets for multiple fields of fire, and yes they should have anti fighter defense but not end all like the Gardia Flack Frigate. They should also have abilities but only through research, which should be quite expensive. And also allow them to be named by the player.

Yeah, and all around fighter that can fill most roles to some degree and has no real advantages or disadvantages would work well for the TEC. They should become available after a tech discovery regardless of game stage.

agreed, it should help a lot, and if it remains useful throughout the game, that will be a bigger plus

amd you can research some useful abilities lack game for it to use, not sure on what abilities, not over powered but useful enough to keep it throughout the entire game, maybe an EMP burst? as I couldn't seem to found any ship which has that, just a suggestion

I agree as well and as I said some tech requirement should be added and I also like the EMP idea.

Lol, guys... if it were worth anything the game would just devolve to destroyer spam.

Unit good against everything = spam spam spam. Not hard to figure out!

I have been drumming on this issue for several months. The dev response has gone from "no" at the beginning of this process to "we are looking into it" now. So who knows maybe the ideas I proposed will be realized since they are pragmatic from a system design viewpoint as well as retaining enough "cloak & dagger" element to serve all interests and I think the devs really want to produce genera defining title with this project.

Just imagine what it would be like if this game was published and no patches for bugs or balancing were really needed. It would be like the holy grail of titles from a consumer and marketing viewpoint.

Additionally I'm not sure if a lot of people realize that they do have an in-house testing team. We are really just functioning as a sounding board right now.

The destroyer is not effective against everything, in fact the specific units that have clear counters/ clear counter something else would be more effective For instance:

The destroyer would have multiple anti fighter cannons much like the anti fighter frigate, yess but the range for the gund would be at the lest halved, if not made even shorter. It would have gauss cannons, so there is little it has to do with the kodiac other than its armour, which would be at least in part similar. Carriers can be easily killed if not protected so yeah, theres a 1up for the destroyer there too.

The game would not focus on destroyer spam. Honestly guys if you did that your fleet would be screwed for the following reasons

1: the destroyers weapon range is not even close to a capital ships once again its somewhere in between a kol's and a kodiak's.

2: The destroyers dont really have that great armour, sure they can do fine in single combat but are not effective vs many enemy ships.
In addition to that the gauss cannons would fire slightly slower than our faviourate defence system, so "spamming" them is even more out of the question.

As for fighters, really come on its much more effective to make carriers or even capital ships. Frigate carriers are cheap so they are not ruled out either, a frigate carrier can still be usefull late game due to theyre cheap cost, essentialy you can pump out 5 frig-carriers while its much harder to do so with even 1 destroyer. Kodiaks are NOT replaced ! there is very little a destroyer provides in terms of close quarters combat, so the Kodiac is still very usefull.

When i said it had no clear counter i meant that the unit had no major weaknesses but that doesnt mean it really excells at anything either, whereas your other ships and weaknesses and advantages.

As you can see the majority of the public agree's with me, maybe there is something your just not getting here.

In response to the last comment: Why is it a bad idea? the Kodiak is fine as it is all things considered, i fail to see why you want it even better when most people end up spamming THEM ! Honestly, the Kodiac's role does not bridge the huge gap between the 2 ship classes, not even a bit.

Another edit here: A destroyer is not meant to be a capital ship, not in the least, it is a fire support unit capable of multiple actions against many kinds of enemies and with a proper hold of units and fleet mechanics anyone could find a nice warm place for the destroyer in their navy. Its like a "multipurpose" ship of the TEC fleet, Look at the game Star-Craft. In it we see a unit called a "Hydralisk" used by the Zerg forces, The Hydralisk is obviously the Zerg's bread and butter unit and is treated much the same way as the other race's units. However, the hydralisk has no clear counters, while many of the other basic units had very clear counters and stops, the hydralisk was something completely different. Therefore one would often need to change his or her strategy to accomodate them. Hydralisks werent good at any one specific thing but rather excelled vs everything on a whole and as such It became the mainstay of the Zerg forces thoughout the game. If spammed, it could be an extremely risky move due to theyre large cost and could devastate an economy to lead to the users defeat. This same risk should be made with the destroyers. In essence if you spam you walk a dangerous line, and when walking this line if you somehow manage to lose these destroyers you are going to face the harsh consequences of your actions.

I would also like to hear some devs on this, before i write another huge arsed rant that takes up 3 screens.

Jeeze these devs are REALLY taking theyre time on this one... i wish someone sent them a PM or memmo to check it out.

EDIT:

Oh, as a footnote: The reason a person would want to get a destroyer is because of :

1: its multiple fields of fire, to protect flanks
2: its standard fighter defence, plus its greater reliability than flack frigates
3: its heavy gauss cannons, which would provide excelent fire support for fleet and anti capital ship maneuvers *Note: the gauss cannons would be long range*
4: its effective radar, to see incomming threats on the space lanes and on the tactical map.
5: its speed, its much faster than a Cap. Ship making it easy to do some heavy recon with them
6: its flexibility, the destroyer can prove effective in most combat scenario's

There, hopefully that will help the dev's with theyre decision.

their obligation is that they told us they would when I spent 50 bucks to sponsor their new buisness.

they aren't obligated to listen to you you mean   

well, seeing how close the beta is to my brainchild, they dont need to tell me

if they blatantly ignored us (which they dont do) and the game began to veer off course I wouldnt be above demanding my money back.

most of the ideas here are well thought out and complete. some are rushed and completely ignorant of gameplay, but most aren't.