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matthewfarmery

Join Date 05/2007

some ideas P5y and I discussed on IRC last night

last night me and P5y got talking about ideas on improving the game, have to admit the ideas he has come up with are very good, and worth a consideration, as there is a fair bit of text, I have split them up so that all the text about on an idea is in its own topic, that should make it easier to read and less boring, as I really don't know how to really do this, I have deleted none relevant text, and the time is GMT, and a big thanks to TristanGoodes without him, I think a lot of these ideas would have been forgotten or not fully remembered

so kicking off with the first idea,

[22:50] <p5y> I reckon there should be 3 nemesis , not just the one - pirates
[22:50] <p5y> rogue advent ships that are like fanatics
[22:51] <matthewfarmery> nice idea
[22:51] <p5y> I also think the vasari nemesis will be the evil monster thing
[22:51] <p5y> i was gonna do something along the lines of
[22:52] <p5y> Sins needs an interesting game ending
[22:52] <p5y> i mean..i remember playing botf
[22:52] <p5y> birth of the federation
[22:52] <p5y> there comes a point where the AI factions are more or less dead , and your gonna spend the next 4 hours mopping up
[22:52] <p5y> same as in sins
[22:52] <p5y> but in botf...u still built ships and stuff , and you never got bored
[22:53] <p5y> because you will eventually meet the borg
[22:54] <p5y> but you could have the vasari monster come in sins
[23:00] <p5y> OMG - genius idea
[23:00] <p5y> about the advent fanatics
[23:00] <p5y> they attack people with weak culture
[23:00] <@TristanGoodes> that's pretty cool
[23:00] <p5y> because those are easiest to conform to their fanatic ways
[23:00] <matthewfarmery> nice idea, very nice idea
[23:03] <matthewfarmery> I think the TEC should use the boardcast centre to send out ships, (make them expensive) to sway a planet, you have the advent fantics that can do the same, leaving the other race out, no point having all three races to have this ability
[23:03] <p5y> i agree
[23:03] <p5y> all special things need to be 2/3
[23:04] <matthewfarmery> and planets with broadcase centres are immune or very strong, the Advent should have something similar
[23:04] <p5y> yea
[23:05] <p5y> I like the idea of vasari being the race that has the non-phase lane travel abilit

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[23:05] <p5y> they are afterall the race which needs the most exploration inorder to find resources
[23:05] <matthewfarmery> yeah
[23:05] <p5y> I think Sins could have special things
[23:06] <p5y> immersion factors
[23:06] <p5y> such as...
[23:06] <matthewfarmery> and should take a while to get the strongest ships, but once they have them, they should be almost unstoppable
[23:06] <p5y> "deep space voyages"
[23:06] <matthewfarmery> find hidden stuff like research bonuses
[23:06] <p5y> yea
[23:06] <p5y> basically they just setoff in random direction
[23:06] <matthewfarmery> or resource bonus
[23:06] <p5y> into space
[23:07] <p5y> and find isolated stuff
[23:07] <matthewfarmery> yeah,
[23:07] <p5y> there is a possibility
[23:07] <p5y> i was thinking off
[23:07] <matthewfarmery> go on
[23:08] <p5y> in the intial settings..u set your planets ,but you have the potential to find another solar system
[23:08] <p5y> later in the game
[23:08] <matthewfarmery> yeah, more possible on medium star maps
[23:09] <matthewfarmery> otherwise on large maps you may end up with a very slow system
[23:10] <p5y> yes
[23:10] <matthewfarmery> but medium would be good, so that it has the possiblity of turning into a large map
[23:10] <p5y> yea
[23:10] <p5y> obviously...its better to set it as an option
[23:10] <p5y> at the start
[23:11] <matthewfarmery> agreed
[23:11] <p5y> but it should be found only by accident from a deep space voyage
[23:11] <matthewfarmery> especailly if you play against someone that can't play a large map
[23:12] <matthewfarmery> yes, indeed, but also you should need the research to access the hidden star system,

(post chat idea) as phase gates are going to be in the game, that would make this possible, but you should still need reaseach to understand the function of the gate and how to use it

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[23:11] <p5y> another idea...for multiplayer..if set in options is a setting called "the vasari threat"
[23:12] <p5y> its where everyone allies
[23:12] <p5y> because the thing that killed the vasari...appears
[23:12] <p5y> and all players must ally
[23:12] <matthewfarmery> nice one
[23:12] <matthewfarmery> or die
[23:12] <p5y> but..thats more for "roleplayers"
[23:13] <matthewfarmery> yeah, or a countdown timer to ally, you automatically have all the players with a large bounty, and won't able to ally for some time, but somehow you must all become allies
[23:18] <matthewfarmery> maybe you have to get each player to pay off his own bounty, which will be very high, but there needs to be another requirement before the players cann ally

(post chat idea, while it would be good to have the the vasari threat as an option, maybe it could be possible to make it a 50/50 of it happening, if the players automatically know that its coming, then they will always ally to counter it, but if it has a chance for the threat to appear, then that would make the game more interesting, and less Predictable

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[23:15] <p5y> Sins could come with a space mission editor
[23:15] <p5y> for single player
[23:15] <matthewfarmery> I hope it does

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something else that came up but damn forgot to copy the text, was and this is p5y also, is that if you completely capture a star system, you become a system lord, and it will grant a bonus, (can't remember who thought this up but, one of the bonuses could be increased culture rating, so that planets are nuch harder to take over by the advent fanatics and the broadcast tower ship, , there could be other bonues as well perhaps? and if a player is system loard, they should have an icon in the diplomacy window,

and the last thing we chattted about was making the planets a bit more detailed, if this was possible in the game engine, cities but there would be gray and black blobs, domes would be seenable, as could very old walls, but if this isn't possible or worth it, then fine, but that pretty much covers what we spoke about,

that's it folk, but I really do like the ideas that p5y came up with, if sins do have these idea in it, I think it would be a much more interesting game

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I really like (i think) the end game idea! I've never played birth of the federation but that sounds like a really nice idea however its implemented. That would definitely spice up things considerably!

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How about some kind of mercenary or generic evil force that raids you ALONG WITH the pirates but will only do it according to bounty, that would be interesting to see.

Or perhaps rogue military fleets just moving around at random killing pirates + you + everyone else but have a low respawn rate.

A home-planet riot system would be cool, in that your planet gets taken over on the ground and they send pilots and fighters up to rebel against you... Basicly i want more scripted combat with sort of Deus Ex Machina forces that come in when you least expect it and completely change a game plan.

I like the ideas from the chat too, was that with a dev or somthing ? System lords sound cool, maybe when you get that pirates and mercs get lower spawn rates but rebel fleets spawn faster.

Sins has so much potential, the engine is just crying out for some additions !

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TristanGoodes I think is a SD rep, he encouraged these ideas to be posted on this forum, which is what I did, I was talking to P5y, and a lot of this is his ideas, (not sure what has happened to the names beside each line?

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TristanGoodes I think is a SD rep

His an Ironclad Artist

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TristanGoodes I think is a SD rep

His an Ironclad Artist

whoops didn't know, thanks for correcting me

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lordkosc

Join Date 12/2006

TristanGoodes I think is a SD rep

His an Ironclad Artist

and generally causes me to hate him with his constant teasing of things he has designed and we haven't seen yet...

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I don't like the end game idea. It's just the same bore if it happens every time.

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kryo

Join Date 05/2003

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(Edited posts to make names show up so the conversation is more understandable)

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Thx kryo, now it readable

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I wondered what happened to the names, as for the end game idea if you read post chat idea, I did say make a 50/50 chance of happening, so that it won't happen in every game, and this should be an option to disable / enable the threat anyway, so that at least keeps the game interesting, as you won't know if the threat will be present in you game or not,

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