A Craftworld could be the Eldar supership, they carry a pretty horrific amount of firepower but can take less hits than other supers and should have massive drawbacks if it's lost, cus you just took a good percentage of the Eldar population with you.

As for the Necrons there's the Nightbringer's Flagship for lack of a better name, which we'd have to pretty much make up as there's only about 5 lines about it. But one of those was "Dwarfs an Ork Hulk" so it should be strong enough.

Of course both of these are based solely on my obsession to model something incredibly huge in complete disregard of all game balance . Yriel's Flagship or a Haven-class Spire could work for Eldar, and that idea of Crons trickling in from planets also sounds doable and would work well.

Hmm...considering their lack of ship variety, is it really worth having space marines as a seperate faction? They only have one battleship, one cruiser, and a smattering of relatively useless destroyers. I know that the SM is one of the most integral factions in 40k, but it's not so much in BFG.

One way to factor them in would be to say that hte space marines are the Imperial superspecial. You get free fleets of pretty good ships. Alternatively, they're just separate classes of ships within the Imperium that have better boarding actions or automatic planetary invasion, even in their warships. Having them be a seperate entity doesn't make quite as much sense.

BTW, Emperial gaurd !!!!! that would be a cooool mod!

GAH!! you know, when the guy who wrote the post has the same question, you know you have problems. Yes, I apparently wrote the planet killer's description and put blackstone fortress in front of it



Yep, to describe those, you can take a venerable battle barge, which is any of a selection of Imperial and Chaos ships of battlecruiser or higher class, IIRC, so they're too different to make one profile for easily. However, the rules for the Eternal Crusader are very characterful for a space-based chapter. Also, the black templars rules include variants of strike cruisers that would give them the variety to be a fleet for those who want to play them. They are pretty interesting,and although they wouldn't be a main fleet, they should still be included because they have a much better selection than the other really small fleets, and they're too big to be a subset of imperial ships, especially considering the imperials have the best selection out there.



I found a pdf of all the ships from BFG magazine a while back that had the rules for this and some other things that are pretty interesting, if anybody can find a link, that'd be awesome. Also, it wasn't a warship, but instead a giant piece of moving terrain that had hellacious armament. I'll try to track it down because it had some other very interesting stuff as well.

I'll be back when I have a guaranteed internet connection.

EDIT: Sweet, I found the additional ships compendium. A lot of the ships don't really fit, but there are a lot of cool and interesting ships in there.

WWW Link

Well, there are some 'legal issues' about it, but seeing as GW won't reprint the stuff from BFG magazine anywhere else, this is the only way to see what those ships were like.

Also, because the Eldar won't be able to neatly avoid being shot at like they can in tabletop, I'd like to know whether people think that using the (unofficial) fan-made move-move-shoot rules for them, because they're designed to be used in a manner much more akin to how this mod will use eldar ships, and make weapons other than weapons batteries effective against eldar. You can look at them here:

http://www.epic40k.co.uk/rules/gothic/geldarmms01.html

I don't think putting a Craftworld in this would make sense because they are immense and you would have a ship the size of a small planet flying around...I just don't think it would work very well.

All the rules in the PDF are from BFG magazine, but only the ones that made their way into armada or a sg pdf in the rulebook section of their site are official. And it's rules for a small craftworld, not one of the reallly big ones.

And the thing about eldar is, that even if they're faster and more maneuverable, they'll still have to take a lot more fire, and the mms rules are much better at letting them be maneuverable while still making them take hits. They should do much better in a real-time environment. And don't worry, they'll still be stupid fast and crazy maneuverable.

did anyone think that this might get us in trouble with GW? i dont know constructive criticism?

Yes but I'm sure some of us know what they did to Damnatus...curse you GW!!!!!

Anyway I don't think we'll have any problems.

If you put the "small" craftworld in the game you are going to have to give it a hell of an explosion when it blows up lol.

Well the SSD is in the star wars mod so huge ships are possible. If not a craftworld could always be the super weapon somehow.

Well sort of like that except SC2 is herendously out of scale lol.

Making the craftworld like a homeworld mothership would be cool, especially if we could give the craftworld its own production capabilities, because that would fit with the eldar being haughty xenophobes who like to keep everything to themselves. Also, that'd deal with the issue of them not really conquering planets in general, but rather pacifying them so they can attack different places. That would be awesome, and make the player wonder whether he should keep the craftworld near the front to bring its production of the better craftworld cruisers (and maybe the void stalker) closer to the front or rely on the corsairs' superior escorts built locally. Hmmm... decisions, decisions. I like! Although I do wonder if its doable.

Maybe make the craftworld considered a super because of its powerful production capabilities and the like without it being a true combat ship (it's too precious). Also, if it is doable, we should limit the craftworld style ships to being produced at the craftworld, right? That'd help deal with the differences between the corsair and craftworld fleets, as well. If you lose the craftworld, then you'll have to make do with corsair cruisers, which generally suffer by comparison to their craftworld equivalents (pretty badly, it turns out). Basically, if the craftworld works like that, it's the heart of a combat oriented fleet without going into the firing line, while without it, the eldar are forced into raiding. Also, because you start with it, you only get the one, and there could be a few variants so it can't dominate smaller games. Good idea or crazy?

Sort of on par with Keilworth here...The BFG team really needs to get a great skinner to make the models perfect, I'm sure there's a bunch of them somewhere on the forum so finding someone willing will really be essential.