SoaSE, a Unit Reference Chart, v1.12 uploaded

Carrier Armor Type Is Medium, plz check with game manual and in game data.

Thanks

Successfully updated karma reason!

THanks for the great work. I have a friggin problem, I am playing Advent on a real LONG game. It really seems like Advent's numbers are lower in just about every category as it relates to shield/armour HP. I understand that the psionics of the Advent make up for that (or do they). I didn't realize this going in (it was my first game I just couldn't wait to open the darn box and get it started man - I needed my x4 fix, it's been a long while since MoO, HW and GCI/II). Man, I should have just played TEC. LOL.

Successfully updated karma reason!

Carrier Armor Type Is Medium, plz check with game manual and in game data.Thanks

Armor type for carriers is definitely Heavy.

THanks for the great work. I have a friggin problem, I am playing Advent on a real LONG game. It really seems like Advent's numbers are lower in just about every category as it relates to shield/armour HP. I understand that the psionics of the Advent make up for that (or do they). I didn't realize this going in (it was my first game I just couldn't wait to open the darn box and get it started man - I needed my x4 fix, it's been a long while since MoO, HW and GCI/II). Man, I should have just played TEC. LOL.

Yeah, Advent definitely depend more on active abilities management, but their designs just look so nice

Successfully updated karma reason!

the dps displayed ingame is off by 0% to ~20% to the true dps, otherwise the charts are quite good.

I think you didnt understand what I was implying in my quoted replay, I was implying that your charts are also incorrect by using the in game dps display and not the actual dps.

example:
advent bomber actually does 2.548 dps, not 3 dps.
advent fighter actually does 1.33 dps, not 1 dps.

about capitals and damage increase when leveling, check each entity file for
weaponCooldownDecreasePerc
weaponDamageIncreasePerc

Successfully updated karma reason!

Yep, using those rounded values in the chart results in quite a few mistakes (well, not really mistakes .. but rounding errors

Especially for strike craft the data in the sheet can not be used to compare them since the "real" values are quite different).

Successfully updated karma reason!

Can we get this post pinned? Any forum mods out there?

Successfully updated karma reason!

Hmmm.... the Skirantra Carrier maxes out at 6 squadrons but the Halcyon and Sova can go up to 7?!!! WTF. Well, I guess it makes up for the fact that Vasari strikecraft can repair themselves so much faster without even using the Repair Cloud, but that fact is also made up for with the Skirantra and Lasurak both having less antimatter than their equivalents.

Anyway, here are precise stats for strikecraft:

Fighters

Vasari:

Hull - 85
Armor - 3
Damage Per Second - 2.56 Phase Missile
Repair Rate - 0.4
Build Time - 24
Squadron Size - 4
Research: 25% Shield Negation, 20% Damage, 24% Hull, 28% Repair, +4.5 Armor, 8% Speed

Advent:

Hull - 40
Armor - 1
Damage Per Second - 1.33 Laser
Repair Rate - 0.15
Build Time - 16
Squadron Size - 9
Research: 25% Damage, 25% Hull, 25% Repair, +3 Armor

TEC:

Hull - 60
Armor - 1
Damage Per Second - 1.62 Autocannon
Repair Rate - 0.25
Build Time - 20
Squadron Size - 6
Research: 25% Damage, 28% Hull, 20% Repair, +5.3 Armor

Bombers

Vasari:

Hull - 140
Armor - 5
Damage Per Second - 5.69 Phase Missile
Repair Rate - 0.5
Build Time - 30
Squadron Size - 3
Research: 25% Shield Negation, 20% Damage, 24% Hull, 28% Repair, +4.5 Armor, 8% Speed

Advent:

Hull - 75
Armor - 1
Damage Per Second - 2.54 Beam
Repair Rate - 0.15
Build Time - 18
Squadron Size - 7
Research: 25% Damage, 12% Range, 25% Hull, 25% Repair, +3 Armor

TEC:

Hull - 100
Armor - 2
Damage Per Second - 3.28 Missile
Repair Rate - 0.25
Build Time - 25
Squadron Size - 5
Research: 25% Damage, 12% Range, 28% Hull, 20% Repair, +5.3 Armor

The Research lines are the potential for improvement through research, something no one has included in their charts yet.

Strange coincidence, though, that all the races have the same weapon type for their long-range frigates and their bombers. The Range bonuses for TEC and Advent bombers come as a byproduct of that, even though it doesn't do bombers much good. 112% of 2400 is only 2688, and it wouldn't make a difference unless their range somehow got boosted over 3000(flak frigate range!).

Successfully updated karma reason!

the dps displayed ingame is off by 0% to ~20% to the true dps, otherwise the charts are quite good.I think you didnt understand what I was implying in my quoted replay, I was implying that your charts are also incorrect by using the in game dps display and not the actual dps.example:advent bomber actually does 2.548 dps, not 3 dps.advent fighter actually does 1.33 dps, not 1 dps.about capitals and damage increase when leveling, check each entity file for

weaponCooldownDecreasePerc
weaponDamageIncreasePerc

No, I understood fine, I just haven't gotten around to fixing it. Thanks for the cap ship info though.

The Research lines are the potential for improvement through research, something no one has included in their charts yet.

Well I have it for colonies, it's just a much bigger pain in the ass for everything else. Hull, Armor, Range, Speed, Damage, RoF, it's just so much for each ship, I don't even know how to fit it all in.

Successfully updated karma reason!

Can I make a request to have the pirate ship names/types listed in the Frigates, etc sections?

Successfully updated karma reason!

Question, if i understand the whole chart thingy right, fighter squadrons should be very effective against LRM's? beside the advent ones? doing 200% damage?

Edit: Great chart with a lot of info, thanks!

Successfully updated karma reason!

Fighter Squadrons are good against all LRMs. Illuminators only have a different damage type, not armor type.

Successfully updated karma reason!

Oh, sorry, looked at the wrong place, still find these charts a big confusing but i think am getting the hang of it now.

Successfully updated karma reason!

Request for sticky

Successfully updated karma reason!

Awesome work man. Its greatly appreciated.

Successfully updated karma reason!

nm.

Successfully updated karma reason!

Why didn't they sticky this one again..? Amazing chart!

Successfully updated karma reason!

Just wanted to say thankyou as well!

Successfully updated karma reason!

Brilliant use of Google Docs!

Successfully updated karma reason!

This is an excellent chart.

One request I do have is for someone to provide acceleration, max speed, and turning speed of all units. Currently, I can only do empirical tests by "racing" my ships from one side to the other side of the grav well. I'd be grateful if someone can dig up the numbers.

MODS: Please sticky this. This chart is much more informative and accurate than the one currently up there.

Successfully updated karma reason!

v1.05 is up, changed all DPS numbers to actual numbers in the game files.

Same Google Docs link as always:
http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=p7xc_snd9Cc-6o2UwvPEWUg&gid=0

or

Download from Mediafire:
http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?rd2onxmy1f9

Successfully updated karma reason!

Frogboy

Join Date 03/2001

+2411

Pinned. Thanks! Awesome chart!

Successfully updated karma reason!

Fighters

Vasari:
Research: 25% Shield Negation, 20% Damage, 24% Hull, 28% Repair, +4.5 Armor, 8% Speed

Advent:
Research: 25% Damage, 25% Hull, 25% Repair, +3 Armor

TEC:
Research: 25% Damage, 28% Hull, 20% Repair, +5.3 Armor

Bombers

Vasari:
Research: 25% Shield Negation, 20% Damage, 24% Hull, 28% Repair, +4.5 Armor, 8% Speed

Advent:
Research: 25% Damage, 12% Range, 25% Hull, 25% Repair, +3 Armor

TEC:
Research: 25% Damage, 12% Range, 28% Hull, 20% Repair, +5.3 Armor

Someone doesn't know how to read the research window...
The correct values are:

Fighters

Vasari:
Research: 30% Shield Negation, 20% Damage, 30% Hull, 30% Repair, +5 Armor, 8% Mass Reduction

Advent:
Research: 30% Damage, 30% Hull, 30% Repair, +4 Armor

TEC:
Research: 30% Damage, 30% Hull, 30% Repair, +6 Armor

Bombers

Vasari:
Research: 30% Shield Negation, 20% Damage, 30% Hull, 30% Repair, +5 Armor, 8% Mass Reduction

Advent:
Research: 30% Damage, 12% Range, 30% Hull, 30% Repair, +4 Armor

TEC:
Research: 30% Damage, 12% Range, 30% Hull, 30% Repair, +6 Armor

Successfully updated karma reason!

So the second level of those early techs provides a permanent boost while only the other level's value gets replaced?

Mass Reduction is another name for Speed boost.

Successfully updated karma reason!

pesky theres 3 different research files for phase missiles negating shield, each with 2 upgrades of 5%, meaning it adds up to 30%. I never realized until now why you mentioned that the vasari +damage from culture is 11% a few times, when its 15%.

basically every upgrade is added to the final value.

Successfully updated karma reason!

No, you were just reading only the 1st level of the last tech in each upgrade line.
For example, most weapons have 3 tiers of upgrades with 2 levels per tier; each level gives +5%. When you read the 1st level of the 3rd tier it will only show +25%, it's only after you buy/queue that first level that you will be able to see the 2nd level giving the full +30%.

Successfully updated karma reason!