mothership is a good 1. choice for vasari coz their scouts capture mines from asteroid fields and gas giants,with advent youll still need colonizer frigate for that.
early game if you spam diciples and all you need is clearing out 2 planets and asteroid for lvl 3 your fleet including cap. will be 15% stronger,now thats 3 weapon techs for all weapons,shield reg is good but sucks against focus fire and when you get guardians its not that vital

radiance is the cheepest cap. so making it as a 1. choice you allready spend some exstra money.he is good tanking ship and has good skills but fleet dmg will be lower than with carrier cap

It's Rapture, not Rupture! There's a tremendous difference in the two words, separated by only one letter.

Anyway, the Advent Halcyon Carrier's "Amplify Energy Aura" ability is exactly the same as the Kortul Devastator's "Power Surge", except in this case, you need to bring a comparatively fragile carrier to the front line while the Vasari do it with a battleship which is designed to be on the front line. If the Vasari also wish to bring a carrier near the front, their Skirantra has an even better aura ability: Repair Cloud.

The Rapture's "Concentration Aura" that helps Advent strikecraft has many counter-abilities. Like the Sova's "Heavy Fighters" which buffs the armory and weaponry on it's fighters and the Skirantra's "Microphasing Aura" which allows Vasari strikecraft to make in-gravity phase jumps to dodge shots and shoot targets faster, taking minimal hits for themselves.



The Vasari don't have the Mothership. They have the Jarrasul Evacuator in it's place, the famous space whale. And the Radiance is not the cheapest capital ship, it costs the same 3000 cash + 400 metal + 250 crystal as everything else.

I actually always start with the Mothership. The 20% cost reduction (and soon 40%) are IMMENSELY helpful at the start, to no end. The deduction it gives greatly outwieghs the need for firepower.

I usually grab a carrier, then a battleship followed up by A rapture battlecruiser. Then I go with whatever is needed at most next.

Eh, the progenitor, radiance, and rapture are probably the best 3 you can get at first, I'd argue.

The progenitor is just a 1 man cap of doom. With just it in any fleet, you can take on a fleet twice your size with the BS that is "malice". (spreads 24% of all damage done to targets debuffed with malice, which is a no-limits chunk in a very large area, and sends it to all other ships debuffed). With radiance, except against vasari with deep-level military research completed, it is able to keep all your other ships in your fleet alive and well by being a glutton for punishment (and having their antimatter turn over rapidly because of this. This ship also combines well with malice with its ultimate ability). Then, with animosity, you take rapture and give its vengeance ability to the radiance. Now, with the radiance the prime target of a large chunk of ships, it now reflects 120% of the damage back to sender for a guaranteed 20 seconds out of every 35.

Also, the Halcyon's "beam weapon" ability is 29% at level 3, not 30%, off the original cost. The actual code uses a deductive method of damage increase, whereby it reduces 22.5% off the cooldown. Please remember, that a 75% reduction off the cooldown would increase the rate of fire by 400%. Overall it averages to approximately a 29% increase in rate of fire, working exactly as the tooltip states (roughly)

Long story short? Nerf malice.

did you read my post i never said 75% dmg boost LOL,it is +22% weaponcooldown so its like this

imagine you can have 100 shoots witch do 1 dmg in 1 minute(100 dmg a minute),now with 22% boost you can have 122 shoots/minute and that is 122 dmg/minute witch is 22% more dmg

i know malice is great and chose it with shield restore paralely,i dont find colonize good at mid game since mid game is when i make mothership,usualy in mid game i have lvl 7 halcyon ,lvl 5-6 rapture and lvl 4 mothership with 2 on malice and 2 on s. res. autocast turned off,15 disciples with steal antimatter,10 ilums(with illusion pref.),4 guards,and every thing else i collect with dominate

I feel like the odd man out. i always go with revelation cap as my first. the main reasons i go with this ship is for Clairvoyance and Reverie

In war information is king. Clairvoyance lets keep an eye on you at ALL TIMES. it doesn't matter what strategy your going with if i can see everything your doing and planning (not to mention where and when i want), and plan properly for it my self.

Reverie is a freaking beast. at rank 3 you can permanently stun 2 capital ships for ever. the anti matter regen rate is fast enough to keep up with stunning 2 targets indefinitely.

Combine the 2 abilities above and not only do i see everything your doing, but i plan accordingly and stun the right capital ships to deny you the strategy you were planning on going with.

Then add to that my own mother ship and/or Rapture and you can see the pain the other person is in. which i rarely even need those, because when you deny the enemy there capital ships you can generally just piece meal there entire fleet then gank there capitals once the frigates are dead.

Almost forgot with the lvl 6 ability Provoke Hysteria you often don't even need to build Siege Frigates. the ability will do 40% dmg to any planets health. as long as you keep bombing the planet with just 1 capital ship the second shot always kills. i 'v also stunned enemy capital while bombing there planets into the ground. or stunned there colony ship before it colonized a planet they cleared and ran my own colony ship in to take it

By the time your fleet and your enemies fleet advances to this point do you still only have 1 capital ship? at this point you use revelation to screw up his plans and deal with his fleet alone while you still have all your capital ships




scouts have a tendency to die... often. there is a big difference between sending a scout to a few planets for info and clicking a button to see where he is so you can start what your doing immediately.

while scouts are very useful and make clairvoyance not as useful. the main point and advantage is the fact that scouts are easily noticed by your enemy. the small image that this skill puts over your planet easily goes unnoticed. So when your enemy sees that you haven't been scouting much and thinks you don't notice what he's up to when in fact your watching his every move makes a huge difference at any point in the game.

when it comes to clearing planets in the early game what capital ship you go with really doesn't make a huge difference. the biggest difference is how much income you have to support all the upgrades to make the planet profitable AND build the extractors, that takes time and just because you cleared the rebels out faster than me doesn't mean your utilizing those planets better than i am

also in the very early game when your fleet first collide and you both have one capital ship, with the revelation its your small fleet of frigates and capital ship against his small fleet of frigates with a stunned capital ship.

i will admit when you get to cruisers it isn't as great since its a target and cruisers do serious damage to capital ships. however this ship can still be useful when sitting a few gravity wells behind the lines scouting non stop

I'm not saying its the best capital ship out there or the best combo with other capital ships. but i think people have a serious tendency to underestimate this ship

Radience + mothership is a combo worth mentioning. The radience uses animosity whilst the mothership sits next to it and restores it's shields. It makes for a very tough nut to crack with guardian support.

Mothership is my favorite by far, it has a stupendous combination of abilities. After the mothership, the halcyon carrier is pretty sweet, the 22% attack speed increase is phenomenal as it affects nearly every weapon the advent use. The rapture is pretty nifty too = D

While I certainly agree that revelation is the best ship in small maps in which you know you will be rushed / you are rushing, I don't think it is required to hold off an LRM rush... and it severely handicaps your mid-game potential.

Due to my "inexperience", I am not sure if revelation is needed to counter assailant rush with marauder. But I have a gut feeling that vasari isn't designed to be good at rushing and, against a good player, a vasari rush is doomed to fail anyhow.

Revelation is probably the ship I would pick for pre-made small 1v1 map but not any other maps.

I still think that malice > other abilities. The damage it can bring is immense, even in late game/large fleets, and if you upgrade your first one with a few colony points, it's good economeny AND a deadly combat ability.