heh I told a guy to surrender and he said "No I don't want the loss." And I said "But you did lose." He said "No I didn't." And then he quit.

Meh. It's not so much that, Jinx, as the common courtesy. It's annoying. And I never say Surrender unless it's pretty much guarenteed I'm going to win. If I have a decent sized fleet in your homeworld, which happens to have the only decent infrastructure of any of your 5 colonies...And you have no fleet anymore...Then it'd be nice for you to surrender. That's when I ask. It;d just be nice to be recognized for a well-deserved win, without the lame cleanup. Not win for winning's sake, but just being recognized when I do.

Sadly, I think it's just mean sprited of most of them; they lost, and they want to annoy you as much as possible. I've written this in another link, but for me so far, 4 games, 3 of which my opponents just up and quit without a word. It's a pain in the rump to mop up, and REALLY anti-climatic to say the least. Any day now, I'm going to play a skilled player, get beat badly, and I prommise you, I'll be saying GG, thanks, and then I'm surrendering.

Which makes me wonder, is it me, or is there really no way to tell if someone quit? Cause out of all 3 players that quit, I had to watch the replay to see the exact time they DID quit. Where does it say or show they are no longer there???

Not... the Omega Thirteen Device!?!?!

People quiting like that is sad. I've beleived for a long time that gamers generally don't play with respect and dignity. It's a shame.

"It is a long-standing tradition in fencing that the person who "receives a touch from" (is theoretically wounded by) the adversary, must acknowledge it openly. Perhaps you're familiar with the call, "Touché!" which means "I have been touched!" A fencer never claims a touch against his/her opponent—or even inquires about one that has not been freely acknowledged. But if the adversary concedes a touch you do not believe was valid, you must decline credit for it by replying "Pas de touche," meaning "Not a touch." Even though there are as many as five officials presiding over a fencing contest, fencers are still honour-bound to acknowledge all hits they receive. This, I believe, makes fencing quite unique in two ways, one very intriguing and the other very important. The intriguing thing is that if fencing is only a "sport" (as some might insist) then it is the only one in which your opponent determines your score for you. The important thing, however, is this: fencers acquire the habit of being honest, gracious and, above all, self-responsible. The presence of an official does not relieve the fencer of his/her obligation of honour. A fencer considers it elementary, in fact, that nothing and no one can absolve you from personal responsibility for your own actions." - Adam Adrian Crown, Maître d'Armes