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Will America always be a superpower?

Will America always be a superpower?

As China continues to rise without any signs of stoping, it seems more and more likly that America is going to be second place. Will America fall into second, or will china succues stop and America will be number one until the next up and coming country wants to take first. What do you think?
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Weed out the sick.......uumm people can heal again to become productive members of society.Having an opposable thumb and a bigger brain gives you that power and also that responsibility.It is one thing that seperates us from animals.
Reply #102 Top
For many reasons, the world hates us. But the hate China just as much or more. And though there's always someone whinning about how crappy American life, we sure have it better than a lot of other countrys. And that is why we are so awesome. That and our nukes. :) 
Reply #103 Top
And that is why we are so awesome. That and our nukes.
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Nah. Its the video games.
Reply #104 Top
No America won't always be a super power. It will be for some time, but once I perfect my zombie-clone army, the world will be united under the banner of ME.

It will last until my mutant-zombie-clones overrun Las Vegas. After that, it'll all be downhill.

I shall then proceed to put all the world's resources into space flight and exploitation thereof. I intend to be ruling from Mars by the tenth year of my domination. Also, I shall name game designers that have earned my favor as the Nobility of my new Martian domain.

Submit or be eaten by the zombie army. That is all.

(what? I felt the thread needed to be lightened up... it is a game forum, after all!)
Reply #105 Top
all children should be given free health care to an extent. But adults should not be.
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No America won't always be a super power. It will be for some time, but once I perfect my zombie-clone army, the world will be united under the banner of ME.It will last until my mutant-zombie-clones overrun Las Vegas. After that, it'll all be downhill.I shall then proceed to put all the world's resources into space flight and exploitation thereof. I intend to be ruling from Mars by the tenth year of my domination. Also, I shall name game designers that have earned my favor as the Nobility of my new Martian domain.Submit or be eaten by the zombie army. That is all.(what? I felt the thread needed to be lightened up... it is a game forum, after all!)
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Your mutant zombie clones are no match for my Geneticly altered Vampire Sheep!
Reply #107 Top
I wouldn't mind being 2nd best. in a world with 100+ countries, *granted only 15 of them are worth the space on the map* 2 is a pretty good spot.

I also think that it would be a cold day in hell when our states break off from the usa without foreign intervention aka invasion
Reply #108 Top
Best troops anywhere is in America.
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Then why can't we win a simple war against a few 3rd world nations? I mean come on we've over in the middle east for 4.5 years! WW2 was against three major world powers and it was only about six years long. This stupid war in the middle east has dragged on far to long.
Reply #109 Top
AHH! How did you know my one weakness? A-nything but the MUTTON! AHHHH! Good sheep! Nice sheep! Wait, no, back off, hey! ARGG! It's GOT MY ARM! AHH (etc.)
Reply #111 Top
all children should be given free health care to an extent. But adults should not be.
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All people, regardless of income, should be given free health care. Sorry, but it works in so many nations in the world. People aren't poor because they are lazy (of course some are, but very few). People are poor because of societal and economic conditions. I believe universal health care is a right. Your ability to pay shouldn't determine whether you can afford the care to become well after an accident/sickness. If you believe that we should weed out the sick, then all the rich sick people should die too. Bah.
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Reply #112 Top
I think it's important to remember that the people in America are much like people everywhere in the world. We humans are remarkably similar, despite some cultural differences. The vast majority of humans generally work towards the same goals, and some of us are simply lucky enough to be born in nations as wealthy as the United States, Canada, or nations of the EU (among a few others). Unfortunately, so many people seem to need to construct the 'other,' or, a group of people (generally from a different place) who are 'different.' I like to think that many people like to feel superior, but really, we're all simply incredibly blessed to live in a wealthy nation where we have the disposable time to play video games and debate future world powers from our personal computers online.

Being born in a wealthy nation like the United States is like winning the lottery. Many of the ethnocentric people would have such a different take on life if they were born in any peripheral nation. America has done many amazaing things to make our world a better place (along with other wealthy nations), but there are still so many things that need to be changed about our hyper-materialistic capitalist society. I believe the only significant difference between people now, and people beyond 150 years ago is our ability to record and keep information (specifically history). Hopefully we can all learn a little more about humans in general, and learn from past mistakes, and perhaps live in a slightly more harmonious world.
Reply #113 Top
If all people arew given free health care then one of two things will happen taxes will rape the middle class or medical care will ber worhtless. Rich people can't stay rich if people don't work for them or buy thier goods. Use alternate fules instead of oil. Now back to the main topic. America as much as it pains me to say so can not forever last a superpower here are two reasons why we cater to the minorities that have not done anything to be worth cartering, and the federal gov't is to damn powerful. State's Rights!! Lastly all good thing must come to an end. IF anyone want a reason we can;t win agianst thrid world countries yet we beat JApan and Germany like we did it is because the Germans and Japanese at least had enought testicular fortitude to meet us on the battlefield. Terrorist hide in the crowd and thanks to our don't harm civilian policy make it harder to kill them.
Reply #114 Top
If all people arew given free health care then one of two things will happen taxes will rape the middle class or medical care will ber worhtless.
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This is 100% not true. Simply look to the excellent health care in nations like Canada, Cuba, Sweden, the UK, etc.. etc..

Additionally, this isn't about the US being conquered. Currently, I don't think a single nation could destroy the American military. It's about the US remaining economically and culturally dominant. The US war machine requires a HUGE amount of resources. If the US economic system collapses, the war machine collapses.



Reply #115 Top
Rich people can't stay rich if people don't work for them or buy thier goods. Use alternate fules instead of oil.
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Additionally, people don't really have a choice. It's too hard to overthrow the wealthy elite simply because people need to eat. Specifically, the poorest people in the world MUST work for their worthless wages, simply because they have no choice. They must work to feed their families, but they are absolutely exploited by extremely poor working conditions, rock-bottom wages, and environmental destruction.
Reply #116 Top
Best troops anywhere is in America.Then why can't we win a simple war against a few 3rd world nations? I mean come on we've over in the middle east for 4.5 years! WW2 was against three major world powers and it was only about six years long. This stupid war in the middle east has dragged on far to long.
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Course of events.

WW2: Vast tracts of land are bombed back into the stone age, entire cities razed to the ground, ~50 million people killed. The German army is utterly destroyed, the surviving populace left with most of their infrastructure leveled, unable to feed themselves and dependent on their victors for survival. Japan is even worse off, not only have they had their military shredded even more completely, they can't even just walk in and clean their rubble up, two cities are radioactive.

They're tired, hungry, everyone is missing relatives, and they know they got the shit kicked out of them in a spectacular fashion in the end.

The war in Iraq: The military gets the shit kicked out of it in no time flat, civilian casualties are nill, the infrastructure is primarily in tact. They haven't been hiding in bomb shelters at all, let alone for half a decade. Life goes on fairly uninterrupted, one day they're ruled by an egotistical fool, the next he's hiding in a fox hole.

They're not tired, not hungry, not missing relatives, and they haven't got the shit kicked out of them in any fashion, most of them were on our side when it came to removing the guy. There was no war against the population, they suffered no defeat. The nationals from other countries that make up a large portion of the enemy there aren't even in the picture then.

Of course, there's a flaw in the argument even if they are comparable situations. We're not 4.5 years into a war. We're 4.5 years into an occupation. We still have Semantics can be argued on whether it's an occupation as well, they run most of the show at this point, are even taking the lead in ground offensives. The textbook occupation of Japan lasted almost seven years, Germany four, and while they were occupied, they sure as hell didn't have their own military forces and governing body deciding their own laws. The occupation of Iraq ceased to be a classical occupation when we reinstated their military and gave them governing control. To call it one still is probably stupid, and at the least revisionist. If it is, we occupy most of Europe and much of Asia.

Now, if you want to unleash the US military on the middle east. I'd give the entire region a week before they were impotent even if we skipped the nuclear options. One fully stocked carrier battle group can probably wipe out the Iranian military all by itself with better than a thousand to one kill ratio.
Reply #117 Top
I can say asians, because this is not confined to chinese, just look at why Pearl harbour was invaded in the first place.

Why we don't forget easily, well, if japan really forget the humililation suffered at the hands of the U.S in the 1800s, i am referring to U.S warships arriving at the shores of Japan and forcing them to open her doors to trade. Well..Japan would not have bomb the crap out of peral harbour.
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Haha, what? The bombing of Pearl Harbor had nothing to do with the Black Fleet - it was motivated by the fact that embargoes put on Japan for invading East Asia were strangling its ability to hold those territories, and perhaps also a response to the perceived invincibility of the Japanese military after the defeat of both China and Russia, the latter being a major European power.
Reply #118 Top
If all people arew given free health care then one of two things will happen taxes will rape the middle class or medical care will ber worhtless.
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It does cost money to provide decent health care. And it is also true that countries that provide decent healthcare at 100% coverage to their populations have higher taxes than we do. But, only marginally so.

In America, we have spent the last 28 years dramatically relieving the wealthy and corporations of their tax burdens. Warren Buffet's marginal income tax rate on the last dollar he makes is much lower than his secretary's marginal tax rate. That's just not right. There was a loop-hole written into the tax code recently that allows Wall Street financiers to classify *all* of their income as a capital gain. All of it. Guys that make millions of dollars a year shifting beans around get taxed at 15%. That's far less than a highly skilled tool-and-die worker or software engineer. That's obscene.

Don't believe me? Read David Cay Johnston's books "Free Lunch: How the Wealthiest Americans Enrich Themselves at Government Expense and Stick You With The Bill" and "Perfectly Legal: The Covert Campaign to Rig Our Tax System to Benefit the Super Rich--and Cheat Everybody Else" and then get back to me with your apology.

If we simply taxed all income equally, regardless of whether it is a capital gain or ditch digging, America wouldn't be in the dire financial trouble that we are. Cutting taxes in wartime. Pheh. Obscene. Don't even get me started on Corporations. They used to be the source of over 2/3 of the federal government's income around WW2. Now, it is less than 1/10th.

My point is that there is a huge amount of tax revenue potentially available to the American government. It is a complete myth that we will go broke giving healthcare to the masses. That is just right-wing pablum.
Reply #120 Top
I think that US has to develop hyperdrive and you'll be alright.
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Yeah... but then we'd have to give it to everybody... :-/
Reply #121 Top
Did you know 1 % of the American Military budget could pay for every family in Africa to have mosquto nets. And you claim to be a beacon of hope?

I've never understood America's bloated sense of self rightessness.

And don't get me started on that strange saluting the flag and swear allegence you FORCE YOUR CHILDREN to do EVERY DAY. And the langauge you use in class, 'Reading makes a strong nation'. What is that crap its he kind of thing I would expect to have seen in a Nationalistic state not a state of 'liberty'.

But thats a bit off topic, America will not be the dominate power by the end of the first half of this century, its ecconomy based on Oil is going down the toleit. Any one who cannot see this is too Pat-ri-otic (to be pronounced as it is written no more of your butchery of OUR (British) language please)

Quote:They're not tired, not hungry, not missing relatives, and they haven't got the shit kicked out of them in any fashion, most of them were on our side when it came to removing the guy.

So if that is ture then was Sudam (sp?) defended by an army of robots?
Because that would explain why nobody was angry when a FOREIGN POWER decided to go and blow up their sons.




Reply #122 Top
The thing is, if Brazil, Russia, India or China ceased to exist, the world will feel MUCH greater effects than if the US suddenly disappeared. If the US disappeared, people would rise up a heck of a lot of dust over the internet, but eventually(within 2 months), everything the US gives the world predominantly(mainly movies, music and... well, that's it), would be replaced with products from France and the UK. Whereas the BRIC lands are irreplaceable. Even with their problems taken into account(personal freedoms, coverage, economic stability) they will, by the year 2050(very much likely sooner) completely take over the world economics market.BradenK, sure, the world will feel the impact of the disappearance of the US. Briefly. But can you imagine the impact of a Chinese block on all exports? That's a mild effect(compared to revolution, wars, ceasing to exist, etc.), and it's scarry stuff!Wow, what are you smoking? If America dies, the world losses our technological advancement. Are we not, overall, the most high tech country right now? Can other countries maintain the technological edge we can? Oh yeah, working in a retarded communist nation where I get paid sh*& farmer wages to work as a high tech scientist while getting beat over stupid crap (i dont know because maybe I pissed standing up instead of sitting down?) is real good incentive to devote 20 hours a day to advancing my country.
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what you are saying is not true america is not the most advanced country
europe is most new tech stuff comes from europe [did you not know cd,dvd,blueray was invented by my country the netherlands] i gues Europe and US are equal on this, as is the military in the netherlands has the most [ok its small i know] advanced army,navy in the world. so your not the most advanced culture out there remember that next time before you quote something ;) 
Reply #123 Top
Lol my edit buttons gone and half the post went with it GRRRR...

Anyways, What I was going to add to that was the question should be not Will america always be a superpower but whether it deserves to be one? Note I am aware thats a bit of a kettle,pot moment. But the point still stands

O yeah and then I had a rant about how Bad and Socialially conroling Americas popular culture is, So I am glad that went missing(Can you tell I'm slighlty tippsy).
Reply #124 Top
Lol my edit buttons gone and half the post went with it GRRRR...Anyways, What I was going to add to that was the question should be not Will america always be a superpower but whether it deserves to be one? Note I am aware thats a bit of a kettle,pot moment. But the point still standsO yeah and then I had a rant about how Bad and Socialially conroling Americas popular culture is, So I am glad that went missing(Can you tell I'm slighlty tippsy).
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If we did not deserve it then the world would not bestow it upon us. Lets face the real fact here, even with our military might, if the rest of the world did not want us running the show the way we do then we would be stopped dead in our tracts.

If the rest of the world (not as an organized action mind you but just as a mind set established within each socity as an individual aditude) did not want us to "rule" then they would develop other means of getting things done without us.

That is most likly what will happen in the end. One day people will just no longer want us to be taking charge of things and setting the overall tone. No amount of military might would be able to prevent this from occuring and then The United States would simply cease being a super power. We are one only due to the fact that when we speak others listen, they might not always agree, they might always like. they might not always help but they do not take messures to stop us. When someone does and others deside to listen to them instead of us, we will no longer be in charge.
Reply #125 Top
LOL id like to see the EU try and take out the US militarily we kick ass. We spend 4% of our GDP on national defense while the EU spends 1.5% umm i wonder who will win?????Best troops anywhere is in America. why should i pay for somebody else to have health care. people should plan ahead, and if they dont they die weed out the sick.
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Are you being serious?

Your caliber of ignorance baffles me.

Our military DOES NOT kick ass, it stopped kicking ass as soon as other nations got nuclear weapons; with those, it really does not matter how many tanks you make in a month. You wonder who will win? Whoever pushes the button first.

Plan ahead you say? Well I would love to see your schedule, let's see on which days of the year you plan on getting the flu. Or perhaps cancer? Can you plan ahead for that?

Weed out the sick? God forbid you or a loved one of yours would contract a terrible terminal illness and you find yourself in a situation where, unless you come up with hundreds of thousands of dollars, you won't be treated. I'm sure in that situation you'll be taking all that you said. Heck, Perhaps you would even agree and say that the US should stop spending so much money on "the gun show" and more money on caring for its people because, after all, that is part of the government's job isn't it?

What is the point of spending all the money in being able to fully defend your borders when everyone inside is dying?

America and the rest of the world need to understand that "business as usual" is dead. Either humanity enlightens itself and unites as ONE; in true care for one another and the pursuit of things that matter (IE: Space exploration, scientific advancements) or humanity wipes itself out.

Did you know? We are approaching that cross-roads very fast.