The subverter got a nerf in the beta patch.

Not to put it bluntly, but you spammed one particular type of unit, and you payed for it. That's basically what happened.

Mix in a few caps and subverters are nothing to worry about.

Did you actually read what I wrote? How about this part: "I target subverters only and they keep resupplying them" . Or how about "and conventiantly they clump themselves together, even though their orders are for Loose formation".

Really if the enemy has 10 subverters coming at me, it doesnt matter how spread out I am. They can still cover enough area to disable all my ships.




20 seconds is still a decisive advantage, especially since multiple subverters can still spam the ability as they come in.

I have ALL my caps sitting behind those cruisers. That is 10 Kol Battleships, 2 Akkan Batltecruisers and 4 Dunov Battlecruisers. And yes those ships are targeting the subverters aswell, but they cannot take them all out at the same time, so some get close enough to disable my fleet, and since they keep coming my non-cap's keep getting constantly disabled and destroyed. This leads to a very poor kill to loss ratio as my firepower is greatly reduced.

This is just off the top of my head since I haven't played seriously in a while, but wouldn't Cobalts be able to slow, if not stop Subverters with their Sabotage Reactor ability?

Just have the Cobalts come in from a different angle so your opponent has to choose to disable them, or your main battle fleet.

Dude all you need is to throw in some Javelins and those subverters are toast. Just put them in a separate fleet and select both fleets and assign them to a group. They will have a hard time disabling those LRMs from that far away.

Killing them is not a problem. The problem is if I get 9 out of 10 killed in time, that 1 remaining one is still enough to take out all my front line ships and keep them disabled for long enough for the enemy to cause me severe losses. Rinse and repeat my losses are far more significant than the enemies. This would not be a problem if my ships actually obeyed formation orders and stayed Loose.

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I think the reason why they are all grouping together is because you have them all set to attack the same ship....

The tactic I would use here would be to have three fleets:

1st fleet : Long range and caps, with a few scatterings of others for balance
2nd and 3rd fleets: your HC's, 1 or 2 caps each, and some others for balance.

Jump the 1st fleet in and take out as many of the subverters as you can, then jump your 2nd and 3rd fleets in, one to the far left of the PL and one to the far right of the PL and have them swarm in.

That should eliminate getting your fleets mass subverted.

In theory yes. In practice what ends up happening is that once all the subverters are dead, my ships clump up if they arent clumped up already as they are given targets to attack and at no time do they try to spread out again. So the enemy brings in reinforcements mid battle, and suddenly im getting ambushed by subverters again. All it takes is for me to miss 1 of those things coming in, or have it stealth through the mass of enemy ships and bam, my clump of ships is now a clump of useless ships. Once that happens those ships get torn appart very quickly and the advantage swings to the enemy. Im forced to either retreat or wait for my rebuilt ships to stream in, all the while im undermanned and taking losses even faster.

This is only a problem fighting that one race. Fighting TEC or the other (as long as I kill the iconus guardians) is never a problem and is actually FUN as I dont have to micromanage the battle looking at each and every ship for that one subverter that will screw me.

I have tried manually unclumping them. Its tedious and annoying to do as it has to be done repeatedly. It also causes losses while the ships stop shooting, turn around, move to a spot, stop, and turn around again to face the enemy.

Wow, you spamtarded one unit and then got owned? Oh noez!!

lawl

You fail at reading comprehension. This isnt Barrens chat.